Does it look like Crowder cares one ounce about the real history behind Dowie ?
Does he even come close to telling the historical story ?
Is Crowder telling us some big whoppers ?
See my point is clear. Most folks don’t know about Dowie nor will they look him up. They trust Crowder to have integrity as a man of God. Does he look like he has any integrity ?
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“A people without a heritage is easily persuaded.” Carl Marx
If one can change the past he can make men believe anything in the present. What is the past anyway ? How important is it ? If you answered not very then allow me to correct you. See what we know of the past always effects what we believe in the right now. Let me see if I can flesh out what I just said. Lets say you ran a ministry that was questionable in the past, and lets say that some other guy wrote a huge document on many of the questionable things you practiced. Now lets say through some insane stroke of luck that this guy backs off , but the document still stands. What to do ? What to do ? The answer is simple lay low for a bit , chill for a while until things die down and then do a bit of historical revision. For the sake of argument we will pretend that after a few years a rumor starts to circulate that the guy who wrote this document recanted everything he said and admitted to being a deciever. Well that settles that the newer generation who have no memoryof the document will totally be put at ease by this rumor and hey even some of the older folks will believe it. You know what the funny thing about the speck of white that covers chicken crap is ? Its still chicken crap. If you are gonna rewrite your history you had better work real hard to cover up all your loose ends. Lets say you start a ministry and you are using all these prophet guys to endorse your work hey one guy even writes a book called ” Some say we plundered” in which all the fullfilments of said prophecies are documented . Now lets say some random guy writes a big letter showing how you have fudged the facts and that real history shows different. What to do ? What to do ? I know do the same thing as before. It’ll work I promise it will. You know all historical revisionism is , is lying. I mean think about it. Lets say little Johnny breaks the lamp in the living room. When he is confronted he says ” Ididn’t break the lamp mommy it just fell” what is Johnny trying to do ? revise and remake an event in the past to get mommy to believe a lie in the present. It’s an age old trick in fact if we are honest we are all pretty apt at revising history to suit our selves. This should not surprise us we learned the lesson from the begining when the first reviser of history spoke to our ancestors “Did God indeed say…” Yet sometimes real history doesn’t seem that important. Oh but it is. Christianity is a historical faith based on real historical events if not then it’s a big scam and we are all duped and to be pitied. One of our great confidences lies in the integrity of the apostles, that they weren’t revising history. But the Apostles of the movement I have been talking about do it all the time. Julies story http://thegreycoats.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/julies-story/ helps to point that out. so does the Gruen document as well as the vindication of Gruen. Bottom line when we revise history we are lying and thats wrong. God is not the father of lies that title belongs to someone else. A tree is indeed known by its fruit, so look at the whole tree it’s been around for many years it has come andgone in and out of season a few times promising great harvest and yet each time it just leaves shipwrecks and has to revise its history. over the next few months I am gonna try like heaven to show How all these cats are linked together. How all of their doctrine and experience has happened in the past and what it turned into. After all I am a huge fan of historical theology . My request is simple . Read, read , read. Don’t put the blinders on because they pray all the time. So do all kinds of other folks out there. It doesn’t mean your movement is good stuff. Heck it doesn’t even mean you are depending on God , it may mean you are trying to fill the payment bowls to get him to move his divine muscles. lastly pray , pray , pray. lets see what we can find.
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As I said in my last post Ihave been kinda lurking behind the scenes of this blog for a while not really wanting to engage just from sheer exhaustion and a large dose of discouragement at the enormous amount of content that one has to cover justto stay up on things. This “prophetic movement is so slick and moves so quickly it seems like everyday there is a new thing (pun intended) to hear a new promise of breakthrough to wait for, a new impartation to recieve. I just can’t keep up with the darn thing. So I was thinking maybe I don’t have to. Maybe I could ask for a little help. So hear is what I want… I want your stories, your testimonies, your experiences , but I don’t want them all raw and wriggling. What I mean by that is I want to hear your stories , but I don’t want to turn my Blog into a slander mill , I am asking that you give me just the facts and that they can be verified. No guessing at motives, no smarmy caulous remarks, Iwant you to express your hurt and disalusionment ,But in a healthy Christ centered way. This will help with the whole ” Hey you are just wounded and slandering Gods movement and touching His annointed” nonsense. It is my desire to use these testimonies on this site to show folks who are strugglin with coming out of the woods that they are not alone and to confront these false men who would willingly or unwillingly decieve the brethren. So I hope to hear from you all….. Please send stories to
xcharismaniacs@gmail.com
Filed under charismatic, Heresy, ihop, prophetic, word of faith
