Brian McLaren, you can’t be a real hippy if you’re bald.

Who knew?  Brian McLaren, the pomo posterchild of the Emergent(ing) Movement sings protest songs!  In this performance he is being appropriately super-serious about the injustice of war…give peace a chance ya’ll…when will us combative types ever learn?  Enjoy everyone, just let the self-righteous smugfest wash over your psyche…..and breathe, there now, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh much more relevant now.

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39 responses to “Brian McLaren, you can’t be a real hippy if you’re bald.

  1. Diane S.

    Hmmm…I wonder what he does with all those Old Testament passages where God tells Israel to kill off their enemies?

    Or maybe we should just re-distribute the wealth instead?

  2. Its interesting that most of these emergent church fellows are pacificists and yet ascribe to a Christus Victor atonement motif…Christ victorious in battle with sin and Satan. Sounds like war to me.

  3. Diane S.

    A couple of years ago my husband and I visited the Mars Hill Church (Where Ron Bell is – not far from our home) just to see what all the hoopla was about. The sermon was about God’s plan throughout history was to evangelize the nations (Even though the O.T. tells that God’s way to deal with some nations was for them to be anhillated instead of evangelized). The “gospel” they talked about seemed rather vague….Justice, clean water, aiding the poor…I think it’s all a return to the “Social Gospel” that took place in the early 20th Century. There’s nothing new under the sun.

  4. TimH

    “There’s nothing new under the sun.

    And isn’t that the truth.

  5. TimH

    Ecc 1:9 What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

  6. Ahhh, you guys are great. What can I say? No one disagrees with me anymore here……..I kind of miss it though.

  7. TimH

    http://faith-defenders.com/home/?p=393

    See this video and if you want to help respond at the site…..

  8. Diane S.

    Yikes….very scary! In my area, Calvin College is looked upon as a conservative Christian College…my daughter even considered going there this fall! I’m SO glad now that she made a different choice!

  9. Calvin College simply hosted the interview. They are a conservative Christian school.

  10. TimH

    Actually…

    While much could be said regarding the errant teaching of Peter Rollins, for the sake of time I will confine my remarks to the following two observations.

    Firstly, Inner Compass airs on PBS which has a history of embracing New Age thought, so it is not surprising that the producers would invite a man like Mr. Rollins to participate as the Emergent Movement embodies many New Age ideas.

    Secondly, Mr. Rollins is cleverly espousing a classical form of dialectic theological deconstructionism, a hallmark of the Emergent Movement’s effort to neuter the Church of its historical moorings with respect to theology and praxis, whereby the divine thesis (the inerrant Word of God commonly known as the Old and New Testaments) is challenged by the introduction of a diabolical antithesis (New Age teachings which find their origin in the spirit of anti-Christ), and the outcome is a lethal synthesis of truth and error (syncretism)–spiritual cyanide.

    Scripture may rightfully weigh Mr. Rollins teachings and find them wanting. Astute pilgrims will easily discern his folly, but to the naive (babes in Christ) they may be led astray and mature brothers and sisters would do well to protect the flock from wolves such as Mr. Rollins and other proponents of Emergent teachings.

    Let the Church pray for false teachers such as Mr. Rollins so that the Holy Spirit would extend His mercy to them by means of the gift of repentance and faith in the Christ of Scripture so that on that Day they would not stand condemned.

  11. Diane S.

    Okay, scratch my post about Calvin.

  12. TimH

    The Emergent Church

    By Jan Markell

    A not-so-funny thing happened on the way to the 21st century. In the late 20th century, certain leaders came out stating that we needed a “new way of doing church.” That old time religion wasn’t good enough. So in came new gimmicks replacing the solid gospel. We have seen the rise of the “seeker-sensitive” church movement that offends no one.

    And then there is the Emergent Church

    If you ask nine out of ten Christians just what is this Emergent or Emerging Church, they will likely be clueless!

    Nonetheless, it is devouring entire denominations and churches that were once solid.

    So what is this phenomenon all about?

    First, it is “mystical.” It draws upon things that the “ancient desert fathers” embraced such as contemplative prayer, breath prayers, walking the maize known as the labyrinth, Yoga — all to get closer to God. Some of these practices send one into an altered state of consciousness.

    The Emergent Church really is not interested in doctrine; rather, they want things you can feel, touch, and smell such as incense and icons.

    This movement reinvents Christianity by taking eyes off of the cross and onto experience. Scripture is no longer the authority. There are no absolutes, not even in the Bible. They will state that in order to take the world and church forward, we must go backward in church history and embrace Catholic beliefs. Their doctrine is actually closer to Buddhism, Hinduism, and “New Age” than it is to traditional Christianity.

    Hell, sin, and repentance are downplayed so no one is offended. Besides, they will tell you there aren’t enough absolutes to even talk about hell, sin, and Heaven.

    They are trying to provide “meaning for this generation.” What does that mean? In the late 20th century there arose a burden to reach the postmodern generation. Get to know the term postmodern! It’s the under age 30 generation and in order to reach them, old traditions must be tossed! To the postmoderns, a solid gospel message is too dogmatic and arrogant. Emergents would say that a more moderate gospel had to be invented to be accepted by the masses within this younger generation.

    Unfortunately, the “gimmicks” they chose to do this are more in line with divination than anything else!

    Their emphasis is on the Kingdom of God now and not on the warnings of Scripture about the imminent return of Christ and a coming judgment in the future.

    Now we get to a major problem. These people are called “evangelicals.” As a matter of fact, Time magazine called Emergent leader Brian McLaren one of the top 25 evangelicals influencing the world. One of McLaren’s most recent books is titled Everything Must Change. So there you have it from a leader himself: “The church must change to conform to the modern day culture. Old ways must be discarded.”

    Another prominent leader is Rob Bell. He is turning up in all sorts of evangelical churches with his DVDs. He has become a hot topic, one that church Bible studies gather around to examine and embrace as a cool 21st century Christian with new ideas. The problem is, one of his many outrageous statements is, “This is not just the same old message with new methods. We’re rediscovering Christianity as an Eastern religion .”

    Other prominent Emergent Church leaders include Doug Pagitt, Dan Kimball, Tony Jones, Dallas Willard, and Robert Webber. There are more and the list is long.

    In a nutshell, social action trumps eternal issues and subjective feelings are over absolute truth.

    Experience trumps reason and sound doctrine.

  13. TimH

    THE EMERGENT CHURCH MOVEMENT

    Part One: The Methods Used by one if it’s Primary Leaders

    Part Two: The Rejection of the Gospel and Authority of Scripture

    Part Three: The Promotion of Eastern Mysticism and the Catholic Connection

    available to read online http://www.biblebelievers.com/bennett/bennett_emerging01.html

  14. Diane S.

    At the same time though, methods do need to change to meet modern needs and thinking, instead of clinging to the old and familiar when it is no longer relevant and alienates rather than attracts; like Paul being “all things to all people”. Personally, I don’t want to go back to hymn singing accompanied by the organ and piano.

    However, TRUTH is unchanging, and must not change. I think we need to be very careful not to lump every church that uses modern means into one category, assuming that they must be weak in doctrine as well if they do so.

  15. TimH

    What do you mean by this, “…methods do need to change to meet modern needs and thinking, instead of clinging to the old and familiar when it is no longer relevant and alienates rather than attracts;…”?

    What do you mean by modern means?

    There are churches out there who are still using the same methods as they always have, preaching and teaching the truth, singing hymns, etc. and seeing the power of the Holy Spirit at work in lives within the body. Marriages healed, lives saved, people changed from sin to life, and they would say that the power of the cross, the power of the gospel still has the same ability as it did 2000 years ago as it does 10 years ago as it does today.

    I’ve heard people look at these churches and say they are dead! Especially those in a PDL church that I left. Maybe the real issue is that now days, people are looking for their own man-made programs and personal desires and trying to fit (in reality) God in some post-modern box rather than just preaching and letting God do the work. We are to plant the truth, under sound doctrine, and He waters and brings about the outcome.

    I think the issue here is that people are not running after God looking for Him. Man’s nature is to run away from the things of God and look for things that meet his own desires, own self centeredness, his own prideful needs. These churches are not dead, but rather, it is because people may have lost their first love and need to get back to that place. Many people have gotton to complacent and instead of being ones that go out and “disciple” they sit on their behinds and expext the pastor to do it all. So what is a pastor forced to do? Put together some man made idea/plan to bring success to the church so that he pleases what the people are expecting from him rather than being a part of the action/the plan that God has already provided to us.

    It’s not the method that so much needs to change. Gods original plan is perfect in everyway and mankind keeps changing it because they don’t see success the way God see’s success. I believe method drive theology and in a post-modern thinking era, I believe doctrine/theology has changed to be more of mans vain-imagination theologically.

    Disclaimer – these are my thoughts in the matter. I probably show a little bit of “emotions” here but I have my reasons (I guess I am a bit more passionate about it than I thought).

  16. Diane S.

    When I’m talking about methods, I mean man-made programs/rituals that are not found in the Bible. That includes musical styles, programming, dress code, etc., which have nothing to do with the truth of the Bible. Changing those non-essential things to fit the times is not wrong, it’s a matter of personal preference rather than black and white.

  17. TimH

    OK, I guess we will have a difference of opinion in that because my experience has been what may have started out as a change in method has actually become a “taking on” if you will a form of theology that was considered heretical by the early church fathers.

    If we are talking about using new technology to show words on a screen or to use new instrumentation (such as contemporary praise bands), videos, etc. I don’t have a problem with that either, but I do know of a church, no two at this point, that wanted to go more purpose driven and in the end the method took them on a path of not giving the full council of God from his word and the word/gospel became weakened even to the point that they began to preach out of other books rather than the scriptures. Sad…

    Oh well, I prefer the good old man is a sinner approach, man is depraved and there is nothing in us that we can do to accept Christ unless there is a regenration first so that we can make the right choice. I don’t find that being preached to much these days.

    It’s all God Loves you, say this prayer, raise your hand, welcome to the family of God. Just a preference and I guess I look at that as being the “old tried and trued method” over post-modern ways.

    As I said, “That’s me.”

  18. Diane S.

    And I love my church’s worship band that rocks, media, Christian books, etc., but I love God with all my heart, and would never attend a church that didn’t preach the Word or watered it down. That’s totally me! : )

    Some people, however, are totally against ANYTHING modern, and unfortuately end up fighting the wrong things rather than defending the truth. Modern doesn’t always equal heresy…too often modern gets lumped into that category as well. I know there are examples where this does happen, but I’m proof that there are many that don’t.

  19. A. The emergent(ing) movement seeks to disassociate itself from modernity, i.e. contemporary, seeker-sensitive, mega-church, consumer Christianity.

    B. Christianity can be contextualized and still remain challenging.

    C. Robert E. Webber is not a leader in the Emergent(ing) church, seeing as how he died in April of 2007. Also, I would describe him as being more of an adherent to Paleo-orthodoxy.

    Good discussion you two!

  20. Jim B.

    Seriously… I might have to Facebook this.

    Brian’s faux-Tom Waits growl is funny.

  21. TimH

    This is abit long but thought you’d find it of interest…

    Is anyone, who believes the True Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, at all surprised at this latest news? I recommend again, Reinventing Jesus Christ by author Warren Smith, to any who have not yet read it. You will find it at my book-link on the right-hand side-bar of my blog. or just by googling the title – it can be downloaded for free. These things discussed below are real – do not for a minute think it is scaremongering and as we all know it will get more intense as time moves ahead.

    Know also this – the Lord Jesus Christ will come back for His bride at the Father’s appointed time, regardless of what any man may say and how foolish they may try to make believing Christians look. His Word is always proved true and we can truly rejoice in this! John 15:18-19 says 18 “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

    Sola Scriptura
    The Bible is the sole written divine revelation and alone can bind the conscience of believers absolutely.
    Sola Fide
    Justification is by faith alone. The merit of Christ imputed to us by faith is the sole ground of our acceptance by God, by which our sins are remitted.
    Solus Christus
    Christ is the only mediator through whose work we are redeemed.
    Sola Gratia
    Our salvation rests solely on the work of God’s grace for us and in us.
    Soli Deo Gloria
    To God alone belongs the glory.

    Thanks to Mike Ratliff at Possessing the Treasure http://mikeratliff.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/solas-of-the-protestant-reformation/ for these descriptions above

    http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?p=1465&more=1&c=1

    Brian McLaren Wants End Time Believing Christians Robustly Confronted

    Category: * Signs of the Times
    Source: Editors at Lighthouse Trails

    Beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? II Peter 3:1-4

    If you are a Christian who believes that the Bible is God’s inspired Word and believe that Jesus Christ will be coming again, you are being marginalized. And you might not even know it. It may surprise you to know where this marginalization is coming from. We’re not speaking of the world today . . . we are talking about people who say they are Christians and who happen to be very influential. In fact, one of them, Rick Warren, was just named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the entire world.1

    In an April 2009 article in Sojourner’s magazine by emerging church leader, Brian McLaren, McLaren clearly has targeted Christians. But not just any Christians. McLaren is talking about Christians who believe Jesus Christ is coming back again, suggesting that these type of Christians are the reason there is no peace in the Middle East. He says what these end-time believing Christians are doing is “terrible,” “deadly,” and “distorted.”

    McLaren says that he grew up with a dispensational view (the belief that Jesus Christ will return and establish his kingdom on earth) but has come to realize this view is “morally and ethically harmful.” He likens this belief system to racism in the 50s and 60s and says:

    These doctrinal formulations often use a bogus end-of-the-world scenario to create a kind of death-wish for World War III, which–unless it is confronted more robustly by the rest of us–could too easily create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Anyone who is familiar with the writings of occultist Alice Bailey or New Age author and futurist Barbara Marx Hubbard knows that they believe this very thing. In fact, McLaren is sounding more and more like them all the time, and his article in Sojourners is further proof of that.

    It isn’t just Bible-believing Christians who McLaren is upset with – he’s also angry about Israel and the very idea that she is a special nation in the eyes of God. This is why he names Christian Zionists and Dispensationalists in particularly, because they tend to be two groups who hold fast to the belief that Israel is indeed a special nation to the Lord.

    It is ironic that just a week ago, the House of Representatives passed the HR1913 hate crimes bill, which is supposed to deter hateful behavior toward others. Here, McLaren, who was chosen to be an advisor to Obama (a strong proponent of hate crime legislation), is speaking so hatefully about those who hold to biblical beliefs saying they must be robustly confronted by “the rest of us” [all human beings except the biblical ones].

    Others have joined McLaren in this effort to silence and marginalize biblical Christians. Rick Warren’s chief apologist (and we were told a staff member at Saddleback) recently posted an article on the Internet that said ministries that defend the faith (he referenced Lighthouse Trails) were like mentally unstable cultists, “who are not normal people, average complainers, critics and typical dissidents who are generally unhappy about life itself . . . they are deadly.” (Please contact Saddleback Church to verify this: (949) 609-8000.)

    Tony Campolo, in his book Speaking My Mind, says that “‘rigid’ Christians who believe in the possibility of Jesus’ soon return” are “the real problem for the whole world.” According to Campolo, they are to blame for wars, and a host of other evils in the world. This is what Alice Bailey and Barbara Marx Hubbard believe–and their obvious hostility towards believers shouts out from the pages of their writings.

    There are others too who speak in derogatory language about Christians who believe Titus 2:13, which is: “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.” In Mark Driscoll’s book Vintage Jesus, he ridicules Christians who believe there will be an Armageddon and a rapture (pp. 44, 157).

    Perhaps one of the more serious attacks on Christians waiting for Christ’s return (serious primarily because of his huge influence) comes from Rick Warren where he states in The Purpose Driven Life that those who study Bible prophecy are not fit for the kingdom of God. Most readers may have missed this because of the way the passage is organized, but if one studies this carefully, with a Bible by their side, it is not difficult to see. Roger Oakland explains:

    Quote
    Warren tells readers to think about something other than Bible prophecy: “If you want Jesus to come back sooner, focus on fulfilling your mission, not figuring out prophecy.”

    Warren ends this section of his book by stating that Satan would have you “sidetracked from your mission” and by quoting Jesus out of context, Warren says, “Anyone who lets himself be distracted [by studying Bible prophecy] from the work I plan for him is not fit for the kingdom of God” (Living Bible). But Jesus was not referring to His return when He made that statement, which in the King James Version says: “No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:62). The Purpose Driven kingdom of God leaves no room for Bible prophecy, and in fact, condemns those who study it. The apostle Peter, inspired by the Holy Spirit, had a different view. He writes: “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.” (II Peter 1:19)

    Christians are called to witness and be watchmen. No Scripture exists that tells us to ignore the events that have been pointed out as signposts indicating the return of Jesus. If we do, we might be like the foolish virgins who fell asleep waiting for the bridegroom (Matthew 25:1-13).(from Faith Undone, pp. 154-157)

    In Warren Smith’s book, Reinventing Jesus Christ, Smith discusses something Barbara Marx Hubbard calls the Selection Process. This is a process that New Agers believe in which Armageddon will only have to happen if those who believe in it (biblical Christians) remain on the earth for thus there would be a self-fullfilling prophecy. She believes, as does Alice Bailey (the woman who coined the term New Age), that the world cannot evolve, and there cannot be peace until it is rid of these kind of people. If it is, then there can be what is termed an Alternative to Armageddon. Sound far-fetched? Just keep in mind that Barbara Marx Hubbard is a respected author–in fact, she was instrumental in the early stages of what is now the lobbying group for the soon-to-be Department of Peace that over 60 Congressmen are supporting.

    We believe that this effort to put labels like cultist on believers will only grow. Another example is emerging church writer Thomas Hohstadt, who asked in a recent article: How Do We Know We Are Not in a Cult? He answered this question by basically saying that you are a cult if you believe you have all the answers and if you believe truth can be contained or absolutely defined. You see, in emerging spirituality doubt and uncertainty are exalted, and the opposite “virtues,”–certainty and faith–are condemned. Incredible as it seems, those who stand on the Word of God will, in the end, be called evil, deadly, and cultish.

    The growing hostility against Bible-believing Christians continues. And yet, in Matthew 24:6, Jesus comforts us with these words: “see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.” Let us remember and take heed to the words Jesus told his disciples: “I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work” (John 9:4). As believers we will stand for the truth, but we will continue to love those who persecute. We are inspired by the many saints who have gone before and courageously, by His grace and strength, stood. “Therefore, brethren, stand fast.” (II Thessalonians 2:15)

  22. Diane S.

    Just out of curiosity, I’m wondering if anyone knows what denomination/group the singer Bono has linked himself with, if any?

  23. TimH

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Hey anyone (administrator(s)), I have a comment in moderation. Probably because of the links. Please post it or delete it if you don’t want it here.

    Thanks

  24. TimH,

    While I don’t jive with all things McLaren, I definitely don’t embrace dispensational pre-millennialism. Plenty of ‘bible-believing’ Christians don’t either. Though many evangelicals think that the LaHaye interpretations of Revelation are the only ones, there are many who take amillennial or post-millennial views.

  25. Diane S.

    Also, the idea of a Pre-Trib rapture only came into being within the last Century.

  26. TimH

    Ok, I guss I wasn’t looking at that side of the article and the “arguement” of when the Lord returns.

    I was interpreting this article as saying that the whole idea was to be confronted. There are some statements made in the article that led me to interpret that Mclaren was “confronting” the whole idea.

    I have read other statements from other “emergent” leaders that have said that this teaching was a “horrible mistake” in the church.

    Another “battle” insues in end times teaching from this side of the camp as in the “IHOP” camp?

    Bye bye

  27. TimH,

    I know that you can be pre-millennial without clinging to the notion of a pre-tribulation rapture. Such a position is known as historic or classic pre-millennialism. Many of the apostolic fathers fall into this category. With that said, I do have some difficulties with dispensational eschatology, the primary one being that it requires two 2nd comings. The first one is a ‘secret’ coming when, “the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord” (1Th 4:16-17 ESV).

    That’s the first 2nd coming of Jesus. But, the second-second coming would be described in Rev 19. If you really pin a dispensationalist down on this they will admit it, but grudgingly. I have to confess that I have a hard time not making fun of dispensational pre-mil positions. Personally, I consider the most sane view to be amillennialism (with historic pre-mil a close second) but I’m a Presbyterian and we tend to go that route.

  28. Tim H

    We have no arguement here because frankly I don’t care “WHEN” it happens. The fact of the matter is, He will return.

    Based on the fact that He will return with Judgement, I just want to be in right standing, working my salvation out with “fear and trembling” and wait for that blessed hope of spending eternity with Him, Jesus.

    My point is, I believe I had read some place, that these guys don’t even believe in the resurrection or return of Jesus, period. So when I read the article about confronting Christians it is based on their belief on their part that the whole idea has been taught wrong anyway.

  29. I haven’t personally read any denials of the 2nd coming by McLaren, Bell, or Warren. But, if you find evidence (primary sources) to that end I would definitely like to read them.

  30. Tim H

    I’ll look again to see if I have it in my archives on this topic. I know I read it somelace. If and when I do I will post…

  31. Tim H

    I wish to step back from my previous comments. After alot of “google-ing” I guess what I had read was not from Brian McLaren. I had read it but it must have been from some other leader within Emergent church, but even at that I cannot find the statements that I had read.

    I did find some rather interesting stuff while googleing that perhaps you have read in the past. I post on the next comments because I am sure it will go into moderation because of two links.

    The second site is another persons interpretation of McLaren but he does have some direct quotes from one of Mclaren’s books on end time escatology.

    Thanks

  32. Tim H

    http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/emerging-church/brian-mclaren-quotes-ignorance-bliss-theology

    Has nothing to do with this post but an interesting article…

    From here… http://www.livingwaterscanada.com/blog/?p=42

    McLaren’s eschatology is also reason for serious concern. We know that Jesus Christ will return to judge the Nations. His return in glory has been the hope of Christians since His ascension. But we learn in “Everything Must Change” that this is not Brian McLaren’s hope… McLaren says,

    “The phrase “the Second Coming of Christ” never actually appears in the Bible. Whether or not the doctrine to which the phrase refers deserves re-thinking, a popular abuse of it certainly needs to be named and rejected. If we believe that Jesus came in peace the first time, but that wasn’t his “real” and decisive coming – it was just a kind of warm-up for the real thing – then we leave the door open to envisioning a second coming that will be characterized by violence, killing, domination, and eternal torture. This vision reflects a diversion, a return to trust in the power of Pilate, not the unarmed truth that stood before Pilate, refusing to fight… If we remain charmed by this kind of eschatology, we will be forced to see the nonviolence of the Jesus of the Gospels as a kind of strategic fake-out, like a feigned retreat in war, to be followed up by a crushing blow of so-called redemptive violence in the end. The gentle Jesus of the first coming becomes a kind of trick Jesus, a fake-me-out Messiah, to be replaced by the true jihadist Jesus of a violent second coming.

    YIKES!! He compares Jesus returning in Judgement to a Muslim jihadist! He supposes that Christ came to bring peace to the earth when Christ Himself said, “do not suppose I came to bring peace to the earth…” He supposes Christ would never wield a sword when Jesus Himself said, “… I came not to bring peace but a sword…”
    He goes on…

    “This is why I believe that many of our current eschatologies, intoxicated by dubious interpretations of John’s Apocalypse are not only ignorant and wrong, but dangerous and immoral.” (page 144).

    I suppose the eschatology he refers to as dangerous and immoral comes from Revelation 19:15-17 “Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.” No interpretation required, that is the word of God plain and simple. And if we were to adopt Brian MacLaren’s eschatology, it would require removing this passage from Revelation, and I sure wouldn’t want to tamper with the words of this particular book!

  33. Diane S.

    I wonder what he does with the O.T. prophecies, not to mention the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and Israel’s conquest of the Promised Land???

    Ultimately, the logical conclusion to this slippery slope of belief eventually has its end in the assumption that a loving God would not create a hell nor send people there.

  34. Tim H

    False teacher Brian McLaren on “The Secret Message of Jesus” (its a social gospel),

  35. Tim H

    Brian McLaren redefines repentance, “rethink” relationships with no mention of sin

  36. Tim H

    Emergent leader Doug Pagitt expounds heresy by denying biblical teachings on judgment and hell:

  37. Diane S.

    I love what the radio show host said, “It’s not a string of phrases (arguing with Pagitt over Jesus’ terms of describing hell), It’s systematic theology” !! And, “You’re the one who is emerging, not me”!! 🙂

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