I Believe this video will help to prove my point.

Please forgive the disturbing nature of what I am about to post . The topic I have been following lately is a disturbing one that I feel needs to be addressed in a more reality based context  . The atheist cannot give an answer , simply because he has none to give .

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11 responses to “I Believe this video will help to prove my point.

  1. Ok, for starters:

    “The moral argument begins with the fact that all people recognize some moral code (that some things are right, and some things are wrong). Every time we argue over right and wrong, we appeal to a higher law that we assume everyone is aware of, holds to, and is not free to arbitrarily change. Right and wrong imply a higher standard or law, and law requires a lawgiver. Because the Moral Law transcends humanity, this universal law requires a universal lawgiver. This, it is argued, is God.”

    see also

    http://truthbomb.blogspot.com/2008/07/why-so-serious.html

  2. I noticed here and on my blog that if you post something that requites thought and effort to sift through, you will get few responses.

    OTOH, if you post about Todd Bentley’s tatoos, or his adultery, you will really get things going.

    Which I think is a sad commentary on the state of the church.

  3. I, for one, enjoy reading well thought out responses, which is why I read this blog. But I feel inferior to the challenge. Well thought out arguments, backed up by sound theology leaves some of us feeling like mental midgets. Perhaps this explains why many more don’t comment on meatier issues. Just a thought.

  4. LOL Quoting Frank Turk from the Pyro blog:

    -begin quote-
    I just wanted to mention that it bothers me when people read theologically-rich blogging and thereafter expose their own theologically-impoverished state by attempting to reproach great practical theological thinking. Especially when the core evidence necessary for their complaint cannot be found in the afore-mentioned theologically-rich blogging.

    Just sayin’.
    -end quote-

    I say go out on a limb and stick your foot in your mouth!

    -Bill

  5. jarrod

    this thread is possibly the best compliment this blog has received . I feel all warm and fuzzy .

  6. Diane S.

    I agree with you, Julie.

    I also appreciate these latest articles, and digging deeply into theological issues, but feel I have nothing to add that hasn’t already been said. You’ve done a great job, Jarrod!

  7. Bruce

    As Ravi quotes the candor of Nietchze and the long stream of atheists who lacerate, jab and stab away at the seeming nervous system of ‘God’s existence’ revealing that it has always been this way. Ravi penetrates the matter that if there is evil there must be good. Most stop and reverse this, saying that if evil exists, then, God isn’t good or isn’t there, but we humans, by existentialim and individual moxi can know what is good anyways. Or as Bertrand Russell states that we know these two poles, as true or false, by ‘feelings’. Whereby Ravi says Copleston should have replied to Russell, “in some cultures they love their neighbor and in some they eat their neighbor, both are established on the preference of [‘feelings of what is good’]; Ravi concluding for Copleston… do you have a personal preference [as to what you want good to mean]?”

    This objective problem of morality haunts them and they don’t know how to stop it so they make category errors and insist it is the same as choosing colors. Reality is then self created and given meaning by each individual. Which makes this video of 2 men acting out each ones preference and who’s argument is best – so effective and haunting. Richard Dawkins is sharp enough to go in the only direction of an origin-of-life by the probabilities of chance proponent, by saying, “evil does not exist.” The consequences of ideas go on and on. Ravi understands the indispensability of the grounding of morality.

    My regards to this site and its participants for they see this foundational principle.

  8. Houghton

    Okay, I love the moral argument — it’s the single most penetrating argument for the truth of God. But this video is silly. What if the victim started pleading a moral law derived from God? What, the serial killer suddenly decides not to tase him or torture him with a blow torch? Suddenly falls to his knees in prayerful remorse? It’s a pretty sad state of affairs when we have to turn to the so-called “torture porn” genre to make our point. And a bad facsimile of the genre at that. Seeing movies of this genre come out over the past ten years was one of the things that led me to understand how deeply decadent and depraved our culture had become, and it turned me toward God. Now we’re using it for apologetics? Come on.

  9. Houghton

    This video feels only slightly more sophisticated than the “Hell House” nonsense many churches organize around Halloween. It’s symptomatic of an Anglo-American church that became deeply anti-intellectual decades ago, turned away from engaging in the culture, and now finds itself bewildered and only able to churn out anemic attempts like this.

  10. IWTT

    This video feels only slightly more sophisticated than the “Hell House” nonsense many churches organize around Halloween. It’s symptomatic of an Anglo-American church that became deeply anti-intellectual decades ago, turned away from engaging in the culture, and now finds itself bewildered and only able to churn out anemic attempts like this.

    You mean the western church has taken on too much of the world paganism into it’s thinking and is no longer keeping itself “in the world but not of it” to actual “of the world” in many aspects?

  11. Jarrod

    Come on Hugh , the point wasn’t that the killer would not murder the guy if he brought up God , but that the victim could not give any good reason because he could not bring up any morality outside of cultural norms . Perhaps the killer would have let him go had he mentioned God perhaps not . It is irrelevant . It would have , however been one good reason whether or not the killer believed . Thats why the murderer didn’t pick a priest or a rabbi . look up the movie itself and follow the plot . You calling it torture porn is ridiculous , but whatever . Just cause you say it is don’t make it so . as far as anemic goes you are entitled to your opinion , and I disagree . You do however presume to much about cultural engagement . If torture porn is what culture is into then this video is quite … what is the christianese buzz word ? Oh yes missional .Thanx for your comments .

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