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A Great post from Beyond Grace

Our buddy Bill posted a link on one of our threads to a post he has just written. I was so impressed with it that I asked if we could post it over here. He shows yet again how the leaders of this prophetic movement love to revise their history to make themselves look more orthodox and distance themselves in public from anything that may hurt their thin evangelical veneer.  So without further ado .

Revisionism and The Blueprint Prophecy

Imagine, if you will, a leader of a religious group or secret society who based his entire movement on a foundational document – but yet would not share the contents of that document. Sacred writings, which were delivered to him by an unidentified mystery prophet. A blueprint which was confirmed to him by a “supernatural encounter which included an angel and a demon.” Writings which were confirmed by yet another prophet, one who later was discovered to have had women stand in front of him naked while he “prophesied” over them.

Mormonism? Freemasons? No, this movement is known as the “24/7 Prayer Movement” whose adherents are called “Forerunners.” They are best known as the “International House of Prayer” (IHOP) and the leader is Mike Bickle.

The foundational document is something they call the “Blueprint Prophecy.”

In Bickle’s world it is a given that all prophesies must be tested and judged. However, Bickle to this day, has not released a complete, full version of the prophecy which was given to him in writing. Assuming that other leaders in the movement may have had access to the complete document, the parallels to Mormonism and Freemasonry are stunning. In movements such as these, certain elements of their teachings are revealed only to those who have earned trust.


Looking for the earliest extant version of the Blueprint Prophecy has been like looking for the Dead Sea Scrolls. Or the golden tablets. According to Mike Bickle, the original Blueprint prophecy was received on March 26, 1984. Bickle also states that the Blueprint was not made “public” until 2002, although portions have been withheld.

The 2006 version of the Blueprint Prophecy(1) is identified as an edited version and is dated March 26, 1984. However, this version was created on MS Word (not available in 1984) by Jack Hill and the meta-data tag is August 15, 2006. We have not been able to locate an extant 2002 version of the prophecy; it may or may not resemble the 2006 version.

The 2009 version(2) , which was posted on the IHOP website in support for a special 10 year anniversary celebration which featured talks on the history of the movement by Mike Bickle.(3) It was prepared by Stephen Jordan (on a Mac OS X 10) on September 28, 2009. The document states that it was edited on September 19, 2009.

Judging Prophecy

Bickle has stated that this document is a “comprehensive prophetic word.” The unidentified prophet stated “the Lord gave me the blueprints for your movement.”(4) While Bickle has not ascribed to the blueprint the weight of scripture, it is clearly identified as a prophetic word from the Lord. A case could be made from Bickle’s teachings that Bickle looks at all scripture though the lens of the Blueprint Prophecy. Nonetheless, Bickle’s own movement teaches the importance of judging prophetic words.

“Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should
weigh carefully what is said.” (NASB) 1 Corinthians 14:29

“Now these were more noble-minded than those in
Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the
Scriptures daily (to see) whether these things were so.”
(NASB) Acts 17:11.

“We believe that the subjectivity of the prophetic ministry
must be vigorously tested against the inspired and infallible Scriptures that
God gave for doctrine, reproof, correction and for instruction in
righteousness.” Affirmations and Denials (5)

Somehow, the Blueprint Prophecy gets a “free pass.” Bickle has stated that portions were removed by him, things that, in his words fell into the category of “I don’t know what that means,”(6) so he did not want them in print (circulation).

Mike Bickle, in 1982, received a prophetic word that said “I (the Lord) will change the understanding and expression of Christianity in one generation.”(7) If Bickle’s movement is indeed this significant in the history of the church then, like scripture, the dispensation of this message should not be left up to “private interpretation.” (c.f. 2 Peter 1:20)

Shifting Sands

Even more disturbing is the changing nature of this pivotal document. In response to accusations of aberrant doctrine and practice, Bickle’s organization released a statement of “Affirmations and Denials” in 2008.(8) The document addresses issues such as the “Latter Rain” and the “Joel’s Army.” Bickle says his prophetic movement is all about “standing boldly in faith for what the Spirit is saying.”(9) Could it be the “spirit” keeps changing his mind? Or is the “spirit” saying things for which we cannot “boldly stand?”

Dozens of changes have been made and will no doubt be discussed by others. For the purpose of brevity, I would like to highlight just a few typical revisions. The first has to do with the “Latter Rain.”

In Affirmations, Bickle attempts to distance himself from the label “Latter Rain,” a doctrinal aberration espoused by the entire apostolic/prophetic movement. (10) In their most recent edit of the foundational document, supernaturally delivered and confirmed, Bickle conveniently removed the phrase Latter Rain. Is this one of those things which Bickle does not “know what it means?” Surely someone has explained this to him at some point in time.

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Bickle, as with most large para-church organizations, has not been immune to criticism regarding money. Bickle’s organization of “Treasure Bringers”(11) (“Ministers of Finance” in the blueprint) seeks men who will behave like an “unrighteous steward.” One leader within his organization has stated “The Treasure Bringers are those with an anointing from God to facilitate this massive wealth-transfer.” “They are spiritual ‘Robin Hoods.’ Their greatest joy is plundering the wealth of the world for their Lord.”(12) Perhaps editing the prophecy could tone this down a bit.

Note that the phrase about “checks and money,” although deleted in this portion of the 2009 word, reappears later on in the prophecy where the phrase “I will be your purse bearer” occurs again. The “purse bearer” phrase is seen twice in 2006, but only once in 2009. So here we see a shift in location and frequency of certain critical statements, perhaps changing the emphasis of those statements.

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Just as the King James and the NIV bibles are translated in different manners, so it is with the Blueprint Prophecy. In the case of the Blueprint, we cannot go back to the original Greek. We can’t even go back to the original English!

Here it appears that Bickle was either attempting to modernise some archaic language (archaic in 1983, too) or he wanted to avoid the implication that he would have both male and female mates, thus distancing him from Ted Haggard and many other fallen figures in the Charismatic movement. Personally, I think its a credible change, but this does not represent an edit, but rather a translation.

This however, is a distraction. Note the real purpose of this paragraph is to state that Bickle is the new Moses. Perhaps other portions of this prophecy are even more grandiose which could be another explanation as to why they remain secret. Bickle states that some secret things in the prophecy were “too big” for him to wrap his brain around. No problem with the Moses thing, though.

Bickle also corrects what could lead to blatant theological error in removing “You shall” from the phrase “You shall consecrate.” This makes sense, but the question as to the original text, the “prophetic word,” remains.

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This section features a few simple edits which seem benign enough. The emphasis supplied in the 2009 version seems to be a justification of the cult-like atmosphere seen at the Kansas City compound (“City of Habitation”).

More importantly is the tacit approval of the teachings of Mike Bickle seen in the statement “Your doctrine shall be my doctrine – by My Spirit.” This is not unlike the standard charismatic validation of a prophetic word: “The Lord says – hear the word of my prophet, for I have given him my word.” The use of the phrase “by My Spirit” in the 2006 version plausibly implies that God has a work to do in Mike Bickle, and that He is going to align Bickle’s doctrine with His. The 2009 version implies that God will adopt Mike Bickle’s doctrine.

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And it is this sort of grandiose elevation of Mike Bickle above mere mortals that causes alarm. Simply put, if what was delivered in the original prophecy was so significant, should not the body of Christ know? Or is Mike Bickle the benevolent Pope whom God entrusts, but others cannot handle this divine revelation. Martin Luther, where are you now?

Indeed, in the Blueprint Prophecy (unabridged), Mike Bickle has been established as the one who will “anoint with the Holy Oil” the accepted ones in the last days church – the bride that prepares for the soon coming Lord. And as previously noted, Bickle is the one who “shall consecrate” this people.

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I don’t think further commentary is necessary. I am nailing this article to the door of the internet. If you have followed Mike Bickle blindly, accepting everything he has said, and believing that he has kept things secret to protect you, or because you could not possibly understand it, I am calling you to repent. It is wrong to accept unjudged prophecy and let it govern your life.

By their own admission the Blueprint Prophecy is foundational. Mike Bickle has chosen to keep secret certain portions of that written word which was once delivered to him, and to revise other portions which seem offensive. Mike, it is time to show us your cards.


Endnotes

(1) Blueprint Prophecy 2006 Version pdf document Revision August 15, 2006, Jack Hill.

(2) Blueprint Prophecy 2009 Version pdf document Revision September 28, 2009, Stephen Jordan.

(3) Tenth Year Anniversary of IHOP website.

(4) Prophetic History Session 8, Mike BickleVideo Time Stamp 06:43.

(5) Affirmations and Denials Web Article.

(6) Prophetic History Session 8, Mike BickleVideo Time Stamp 07:17.

(7) Session 1, the Early Days, Mike Bickle MS Word Revision September 1, 2004, Jack Hill. Page 2.

(8) Affirmations and Denials Web Article.

(9) Session 1, the Early Days, Mike Bickle MS Word Revision September 1, 2004, Jack Hill. Page 2.

(10) For information about the Latter Rain see: Anointing or Apostasy – The Latter Rain Heresy by Charles Graves pdf document

(11) Joseph Company Vision Statement web archive

(12) Six Kingdom Callings of Marketplace Christians by Bob Fraser web archive copy

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Julie’s story part 2

There is such a shocking lack of knowledge as to how IHOP’s vision was birthed, it’s driving me crazy! So, I want to give a little more insight into the going’s on behind Kansas City Fellowship (early IHOP) becoming a Vineyard.

My husband and I had been away from the church (Kansas City Fellowship) for approximately 3 or 4 months praying earnestly for the leadership at KCF to repent. Actually, by this time, the name had changed to Metro Christian Fellowship, having first been known as South Kansas City Fellowship, then Kansas City Fellowship, then Metro Christian. We expected their repentance to be forthcoming at any day. I mean, with the damning report that Ernie Gruen had just written, there was no defending the current prophetic, and “let’s take over the city”, teaching that had become common place by then. This was the spring of 1990. I remember it well because I was well along in my pregnancy with my fourth child.

We were told that “Mike’s going to repent” so be sure to be there.  “Major anouncement at the church, don’t miss it.” These were the encouragements we received from our friends, the friends we had been warning regarding the error that had crept in.

So, we went to this meeting with high expectations. We were expecting the mood to be somber, sober, serious, repentant, etc. Nothing could have prepared us for what we witnessed that night.

First of all, the place was PACKED. Not a seat in the house remained empty.  People standing in the back as well. I think there were between 1500 and 2000 people in attendance.

After a very celebratory worship service, Mike began to repeat some of the prophetic history which brought the church into existence in the first place. Augustine’s prophecies (although, by this time, I think his name had ceased to be mentioned), Bob Jones’s prophecies, etc. How God had brought the prophetic into our midst – but it was still in it’s infancy. Still young and messy and some messes have occurred. Soooo, it was time to set the prophetic down, come under the umbrella of the Vineyard. The prophets would still minister to the leadership behind closed doors, but it was necessary for them to mature in their anointings.

This was the gist of the meeting. That the leadership was just delighted to be joining hands with John Wimber and Co.  It was going to be a great future in God. Blah blah blah.

Even stating that the rift between Mike and Ernie was hurting the body and that it needed to be resolved as soon as possible. That Ernie Gruen had misrepresented the prophetic movement, but some of the things he said were true: there was a spiritual elitistism that needed to be eradicated. Ernie was on board with this current move by the church leadership to become a Vineyard, and so the proposed meeting (hearing?) before the agreed upon leaders from around the country was no longer necessary. The error of the prophetic was in check with the setting down of the prophets.

The mood reminded me of a high school pep rally. Everyone seemed relieved and elated. No longer was the church going to be considered “cultish.” John Wimber had ridden in on a white horse, and they had dodged a bullet. They were becoming a respectable Vineyard; the loony prophetic was going to become less visual and less loony; and so on, and so forth.

At the end of Mike’s lengthy announcement, he opened up the microphone for questions.  When my husband looked at me and said “I’m going up,” my heart rose to my throat and stayed there until we left. I knew that the happy atmosphere was going to be dampered a little once my husband took the mic.

Person after person got up and asked numerous, non-threatening questions, of the legistical variety. Will the other locations join, too? Would Mike’s position change? How will this affect the church type questions.

My husband was one of the last in line that night. Perhaps he was the last. He first asked Mike if the men who had originally been agreed upon to “hear” the accusations  that were brought against Mike, if they were honorable and capable of judging these teachings, etc.  Mike agreed that they, in fact, were honorable men. (All of the men chosen for this task were from the charismatic side of the isle, btw).  He then asked Mike why he wouldn’t just submit to their “hearing” instead of, essentially, hiding behind John Wimber. That is when the mood in the room suddenly changed. It felt hostile, and I swear, you could hear a pin drop. But, my heart was in my throat and I just wanted to get out of there, so, who knows what other people felt. At this point, my husband challenged Mike regarding these doctrines NOT coming into line with the gospel of Jesus Christ. He handed the mic back and began walking back to me.

Many, many of our friends were there. Some of our best friends were also in attendance, and they were not really sure how to take all of this stuff. We had given them our take, yet they were still quite loyal to the church/Mike. Heck, we were still loyal. We were just waiting for everyone to repent and BELIEVE the truth and get free of all this garbage.  This was our church, for crying out loud. These were our leaders and the devil had pulled the wool over their eyes!

As my husband was leaving the stage, Mike turned to the sound man, and told him to get rid of what my husband had just said. “Erase that part.” This is what our friends heard. They were so appalled, it became the beginning of the end of their stay at KCF. So began my first knowledge of historical revisionism at the hands of KCF.

One person came up and thanked my husband. Everyone else treated us like the plague. Indeed, for many years, my husband was kept at arms length by those still loyal to Mike. Now, one can dispute whether or not Mike had the tape erased. But, there are people, to this day, who remember my husband standing up and standing against Mike Bickle. No one ever did that! I think it went down the same memory hole with the prophecies regarding Pat Bickle getting healed. We knew, then, that they weren’t going to be repenting anytime soon.

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Good examples from IHOP of historical revisionism.

Special thanks to IHOP who’s copy right is the right to copy , and Let us reason.org

This is my modest attempt at showing you how the history of this movement is being revised. While I am sure many will not be impressed with the effort all I am asking is that we be honest. If you can read this and truly say IHOP has not been doctoring it’s past then fine , but if this raises questions in your mind then …

For those of you who don’t know this is taken from Ihops affirmations and denials page. the bold italics are mine. the other italics are quotes and historical info.

Affirmations and Denials

The Manifest Sons of God Theology

We Affirm all born-again believers will be “manifest” as sons of God after the second coming of Christ.

We Deny that we will experience the fullness of our inheritance as sons of God before Jesus returns.

Explanation: Some uphold the false teaching that in this age believers can have faith that will enable them to attain to qualities of life that are reserved only for believers in the resurrection. ( Where would they get that idea from ? lets ask Mike )

“There is a dimension that is coming, and now is, that we have no frame of reference for and most of us think that we do.” “… and they (apostles, prophets) do things that you have no frame of reference for understanding because, believe me, what’s going to be coming down in the next twenty years you and I have no frame of reference for understanding. It is going to be so unusual you are not going to be able to look at the word for every manifestation and find one there because the Spirit of the Lord has so many manifestations that you and I know nothing about.”

I believe that God is going to allow us to see and to even partake in this restoration, this is a major statement and I want you to pay attention closely, to the restoration of the New Testament standard… I believe that God is going to renovate the entire understanding of what Christianity is in the nations of the Earth. I believe that the way that 99 per cent of us across the world as believers understand Christianity, in 20 years there will be a totally different understanding of what Christianity is from what it is right now. I believe the understanding of it, the standard of life and the expression of Christianity as we know it, I believe God is going to restore it in the Earth in this generation”

( The arrogance of this statement is almost mind blowing. 99% of what all Christians believe ??? Lets hope substitutionary atonement is the other 1 %.  Not to mention the doctrine of the Holy Trinity , the divinity of Christ,  our union with Christ , etc, etc…. This begs the question what exactly is contained in that tiny 1 % that will remain the same ? Will the rest of the church be truly keen on jettisoning 99% of what they believe ? The answer to that question is a clear no.  Thats why we have the visions of the civil war within the church . )

“God intends us to be like gods, he intends us to be like the Son of God. … God has conceived in His heart of a plan to make a race of men that would live like gods on the Earth. He has conceived in His heart to have Sons that would live like His Son, the Lord Jesus lived… That we were to be on earth the extension and manifestation of God’s life in heaven. …When a person comes up and declares what Sonship is about, the religious community comes up and says “blasphemy!” That’s what they did to Jesus. The religious mind will always call this heresy. When the religious mind comes in contact with the revelation of what a Son of God is they will always say it is not right because it’s too high.”

(The religious said Jesus blasphemed because He said He was equal to God not because He talked about the true meaning of sonship. )

The Latter Rain

We Affirm that the Church will experience the greatest outpouring of the Spirit in history before Jesus returns (Joel 2:28–32). This outpouring will result in a great ingathering of souls and a renewing of the Church so that it walks in godliness as declared in the Sermon on the Mount (Mt. 5:1–7:28). We affirm the presence of the fivefold ministry for the equipping of the saints (Eph. 4:11–13).

We Deny the distinctive doctrines that go beyond Scripture that are often associated with the Latter Rain theology that was popularized in the 1950s.

Explanation: Some have wrongly identified our ministry today with the false teachings that were popularized by some in the Latter Rain movement. At no time in the past did we have any relationship with this movement.

(hmm well lets see if this statement holds water, I know William Branham and Paul Cain were documented propagators of latter rain theology lets see If Mike has anything to say about them.)


Mike Bickle has stated that he does not recognize the current leaders as full-fledged prophets: “There’s no one in our midst that we give the title “prophet.” The only one I would feel comfortable of giving that office would be Paul Cain, but he refuses to accept it.”

Some of Cain’s beliefs are certainly unheard of in the history of our faith, they are new founded in the Latter Rain teachings of the late 40’s. “If you’re really in the vine and you’re the branch, then the life sip from the Son of the living God keeps you from cancer, keeps you from dying, keeps you from death … Not only will they not have diseases, they will also not die. They will have the kind of imperishable bodies that are talked about in the 15th chapter of Corinthians … this army is invincible. If you have intimacy with God, they can’t kill you. they just can’t. There’- something about you; you’re connected to that vine; you’re just so close to him. oh, my friends, they can’t kill you.” ( Paul Cain, “Joel’s Army,” cited in Documentation of the Aberrant Practices and Teachings of Kansas City Fellowship (Shawnee, KS: Full Faith Church of Love, 1990, p. 218)

Paul Cain was part of the healing revival of the mid 1940’s when he was 18 years old. During that time his fellow ministers were William Branham, Jack Coe, T.L. Osborne, and A.A. Allen, etc. He saw the excesses of that movement and backed away from it until 1987 when the Kansas City Fellowship’s leaders Mike Bickle and Bob Jones felt impressed to serve Paul Cain and his ministry in any way they could. Bob Jones said “the Lord named Paul Cain’s ministry, “The terror of the Lord.” Why this name? Paul Cain is reported to be able to reveal peoples hidden sins and details of their lives supernaturally. He predicted an earthquake and it happened! Also people report surges of electrical power that blow out circuits.

In 1987 Cain met with the leadership of Kansas City Fellowship and they received him as a father. Grace Ministry’s other major prophet, Bob Jones, said that Cain’s ministry is called by God “the terror of the Lord,” or “the jealousy of God.” He called Cain “the most anointed prophet that’s in the world today.” “’ Cain, in turn, his called William Branham “the greatest prophet who ever lived.” This would make Branham greater than Elijah, Elisha, Jeremiah, Daniel, David, and John the Baptist, just to name a few. Considering the occult manifestations and false doctrines that characterized Branham’s work, one must question whether Cain himself understands truth. This also calls into question Jones’ claims about Cain.(Media Spotlight , Al Dager)

“You know this message is 35 years old and I’m just preaching it again, Thank God I’ve found somebody to preach it to. I told you about the vision, what I’ve had… See, I’ve been wanting to share this so long and find somebody -how would you like to have something on the back burner for 35 years and nobody had any – boy this is, I mean this isn’t leftovers. I mean this has been hot with me all these years, but everywhere I tried to preach it, they cooked my goose. Don’t you boo me. This kind of fiery preaching is a lost art today except in a very mild degree.” (Joel’s Army cassette from Kansas city prophets)

The source of this message (35 years at the time said) is none other than the latter Rain heresy of which many have not let go of but continue to promote vigorously. “For quite a while I have been embarrassed to say anything about the latter rain, because you are associated and identified with something that people don’t seem to appreciate in certain evangelical circles. So I have played it cool and haven’t said much about it. But I don’t care what they think any more… I believe we are going to have the latter rain and I am looking forward to it.” (Paul Cain, Toronto church on May 28, 1995)

Cain said in 1989 that God was raising a new standard and the understanding of Christianity that would radically change us and our generation God has him to have a role in establishing this New Order of Christianity.

That God is offering them a “greater privilege than was ever offered to any people of any generation at any time from Adam clear down through the end of the millennium”; and that they are “gonna have more than just a little omnipotent surge — you’re gonna behold that glory and become that glory.” (Bob Jones and Paul Cain, “Selections from the Kansas City Prophets,” audio, from Hank Hanegraaff, Counterfeit Revival, 1997)

The fact of the matter is that Cain and other so-called Kansas City prophets should have never been placed into an area of Christian leadership in the first place.  Cain (who has also claimed trips to heaven) has a questionable testimony, has demonstrated a lengthy absence of Christian service in his life, and he has called the late William Branham, with whom he once had an association, “the greatest prophet who ever lived.” Branham, however, denied the historic doctrine of the Trinity (even claiming it comes from the devil), and taught extensive error, including the he that the zodiac and Egyptian pyramids are on par with the authority of Scripture. 34  Branham taught what has now become known as the “Serpent Seed” doctrine that is popular with various neo-Nazi and “Christian” identity cults — that the Bible’s Cain was produced through a sexual coupling between the serpent in the Garden of Eden and Eve. 35

Dominion Theology

We Affirm that God’s purpose is for Jesus to come back to fully establish His kingdom rule over all the earth. After the second coming, the saints will rule the earth under the leadership of Jesus Christ when He sets up His government on earth in the millennial kingdom (1 Cor. 6:2; Rev. 5:10; 20:3–6). We believe that believers in this age are called to serve Jesus in politics and to help establish righteousness and justice in legislation. We do not have the assurance that all laws and governments will be changed until after the second coming of Jesus to establish His millennial kingdom.

We Deny that the Church will take over all the governments of the earth before the return of Christ.

Explanation: Some believe and teach that all governments on earth will be transformed by the Church before the second coming of Jesus.

While this is a nice albeit brief denial of dominion theology It doesn’t really tell the reader what dominion theology truly is. Not all dominionists fall in the same category nor do they believe all the same things. Don’t take my word for it. Here is a quote from Keith Gibson on the issue.

“Essentially, dominion theology arises from a distorted interpretation of Romans 8:19 and a few other passages. It teaches that a perfected, glorified church will usher in the kingdom of God by taking dominion over the world. To this end, the church must be placed in order by coming under the authority of present-day apostles and prophets. Many of these prophets are foretelling a great civil war that will take place within the church between the “grays”, associated with the brain or gray matter who focus on the scripture, and the “blues”, those associated with the sky who are open to new revelation. This is a gross oversimplification and not all dominionists would accept all that was just said but these are many of the central tenants of the movement.

Associated with this major teaching are a host of other doctrines and practices necessary to facilitate the rise of this perfected body of Christ. These can be found interspersed throughout the writings and messages of those in the movement.

It is taught that Christ must be incarnated within the church before He can return. The church will literally become the fullness of Christ. Francis Frangipane states, “When the Spirit of Christ comes into the physical world, He must enter through a physical body…When Christ first entered our world as a child, it was Mary whom God chose to give Christ birth….God is preparing us as He did Mary to give birth to the ministry of His Son. Even now, in the spiritual womb of the virgin church, the holy purpose of Christ is growing, awaiting maturity; ready to be born in power in the timing of God….the virgin Church is “in labor and in pain to give birth” (Rev. 12:1-2)…I say to you, once again, the virgin is with child. Before Jesus Himself returns, the last virgin Church shall become pregnant with the promise of God. Out of her travail, the Body of Christ shall come forth, raised to the full stature of its Head, the Lord Jesus. Corporately manifested in holiness, power and love, the Bride of Christ shall arise.” (Francis Frangipane, “In the Presence of God”, 1994 emphasis mine) But it must be noted that, in context, the manifestation of the sons of God spoken of in Romans 8 does not occur until the redemption of the body at the resurrection. The scriptures are clear that it is Christ who brings the kingdom not the church.”

Now I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that latter rain and dominion theology are just about the same thing. By that I mean they include one another. I have already shown that Ihop has indeed been connected to latter rain teachers like Paul Cain . Even though they say they have not.  You decide .

Joel’s Army

We Affirm that the army in Joel 2:1–11 was an ungodly Babylonian army that destroyed Jerusalem in 586 BC. We believe that this passage has a double fulfillment in that it also points to the Antichrist’s army that will attack Israel at the end of the age. We affirm that Joel was prophesying of the lifestyle of godly believers in Joel 2:12–17.

We Deny that Joel 2:1–11 describes the end-time Church.

Explanation: The term “Joel’s army” has been used to signify the people who walk out the principles of prayer with fasting as taught in Joel 2:12–17. The term has been used much like “Joseph Company,” “Gideon Band,” or “David Company” to signify the people who embraced the godly qualities that Joel taught about prayer, fasting, and wholehearted obedience. Paul Cain had a prophetic word about a “Joel’s army in training,” referring to a group of people who would give themselves to prayer and fasting according to Joel 2:12–17. When used like this, “Joel’s army” does not refer specifically to the destroying army mentioned in Joel 2:1–11, but to people who walk out the Joel 2:12–17 lifestyle. The misunderstanding comes from giving the title “Joel’s army” to both the destroying army (Joel 2:1–11) and the group of people who give themselves to fasting and prayer (Joel 2:12–17).

Hmmm… maybe so , but I am not convinced. Since I have already established a link to Bickle and Paul Cain who is the coiner of the phrase Joel’s army lets look at some historical quotes.

Cains Joel’s army is starting to take shape as he explains “Many years ago,.. I have came to the crossroads of life and I saw a vision of an illuminated billboard on which was written: Joel’s army in training. “It was on these crossroads with an arrow pointing to the spot-though there was no building on it then! I believe God has shown me that here he is going to raise up an army. This army is not a destructive army but a deliverance army…”( David Ptyche’s, Some Said It Thundered, p.132)

While this is what he may like it to be,  the biblical view is an army of destruction which God himself destroys in the end.

There seems to be much double speak coming from the prophets of the Latter Rain camp.

Jack Deere describes Joel 2 it is hardly to deliver “When this army comes, He says it’s large and it’s mighty. It’s so mighty that there’s never been anything like it before…‘begin the slaughter and begin it in the temple and begin it with the elders, the leaders of my people.’ And they walk through the land and they start and they begin to slaughter and you know it’s already started with the biggest names in His household? He has already started the slaughter…and it is coming now among the Church.” ( It Sounds Like the Mother of All Battles, Jack Deere, VMI, Joel’s Army, 1990, “Joel’s Army”)

The only thing that I seem to notice getting slaughtered in the church today is correct doctrine and the fact is they don’t seem to care.

Jack Deere supports Paul Cain and Bob Jones, and is convinced they are the two prophets of Revelation. He alleges that Cain is virtually right all the time. “You see why we’re excited about someone like Paul Cain or Bob Jones coming on the scene? Or others that we’ve met…you know those two powerful witnesses in Revelation 11:3? You know what – they are first and foremost? They are prophets. He said they will prophesy for 1,260 days. He’s going to end the last days just before His Son returns with a prophetic movement that will sweep the entire face of the earth and will eclipse anything we have ever seen before…the significance of these signs and wonders…But they don’t just happen on the earth. They come because they are prayed for and they are predicted by God’s people.” (Jack Deere, “Joel’s Army”)

Revelation 11 “… And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. … And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. … These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.” (Jack Deere, “Joel’s Army”)

Rick Joyner speaks of a civil war inside the Church. The blues battling the grays in his end-time scenario that is likened to the American Civil war. It is clear from his writings that he is speaking of the new thing that is to be the standard. Those who fight against it are holding on to the old. It’s been said birds of the same feather flock together. Cain is a joint partner in writing Joyner’s morning star Journal.  (wonder why we called ourselves the grey coats)

Frangipane agrees with an army that, as “it follows Christ, initiates spiritual warfare against the various gates of Hell.” … “There are growing number of churches around the world who are being gathered together by the Lord for War”(The Three Battlegrounds, Francis Frangipane p124,128)

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Follow up responses to Kundalini warning.

Here are some testimonies and replies to Andrew Strom’s Kundalini warning. We should all sit back and question where this is truly going. To start you off I have a few questions of my own.

1. Are these experiences truly biblically defensible ? By that I mean drunkenness in the Spirit, animal noises, uncontrollable laughter, etc .

2. How does one answer the statement that Kundalini is only the devil’s counterfeit of the real thing ? ( If you haven’t heard this statement before just give it some time you will)

3. How can we as brethren in the Lord confront the many who follow this nonsense in a constructive manner ? (admittedly if the house is condemned it will probably have to be torn down before construction can begin.)

4. Is it not time to throw political Christian correctness out the window where it has always belonged and face this stuff head on and fearlessly. By that I mean we risk our friendships, our reps, our …well whatever it takes to try and get our brethren to turn away from these false teachers and experiences.

5. Lastly are we praying for these people or are we just outraged and vengeful toward them ?

REPLIES to “KUNDALINI WARNING”

5 replies/ comments are below:

“D” writes:
I went to Lakeland 3 times. I was so drawn to go there. I really
thought it was of God… I had so many supernatural experiences –
to seeing a mystical Jesus with a third eye, angels talking to me,
visions, being transported. I had one experience with my daughter
being in the room and her experiencing it too. I was roaring like a
lion, had gold dust and many other experiences. The worst thing
that happened to me is that it got sexual. This false Jesus was
approaching me sexually and I fell into it. I still to this day do
not understand how I could have been so decieved. I have been
a Christian since the age of 16. I am 49 now… I fell right in… hook,
line and sinker. When I came home that last viist I became aware
it was demonic, and I was surrounded and covered with demons
literally, it was so horrible, all that I went through, you cannot
imagine… I was seeing demons and being touched sexually and
tormentingly constantly.. it has been 1 1/2 years and I am still
battling these demonic spirits. I cry out to the Lord everyday for
total deliverance. It has been horrible. I have renounced and
repented, but still fighting. How do we get free of this?

SHERIE writes:
I can testify that I was infested with this foul eastern spirit, the
kundalini. I was in a movement from 1992 – 2000 which had close
links with the Toronto movement. From 2000 – 2006 I joined a
church with links to Bill Johnson.
I was desperate for God to move in my life and change situations
and heal hurts and was very open to ministry – I had many in this
movement touch my forehead and experienced the manifestations
you describe – drunkenness, laughing and crying, shaking. I got
dreams and visions and just before I left the structure (church) I
had a vivid dream of a huge python that came through the back
door and attached itself to my car, and also to rooms in my home.
I was very disturbed and sought the Lord for an answer.

It took about 6 months before I was delivered, but God brought a
couple over my path who God had trained and had victory over
spiritual entities. Every time I was in their presence, I would get
very anxious, and they would calmly pray for me and I could feel
darkness leaving and my sanity restored. It was only after 6 months
of these episodes, I was again in their presence and sensed a fight
ensue in the Spirit. I was very anxious and fearful and could feel
a huge snake in my spine – I was rigid and very uncomfortable – It
felt as if this thing wanted to throttle me and rob me of my life. I
called out to God and they quietly prayed – then I asked the Lady
to pull this serpent out of my head – it felt as if it could exit near
the top of my crown. She continued to pray and I got the word
“kundalini ” in my spirit and just commanded this thing by its
name to go in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. I pled the blood
as it was very frightening, and it left. I felt like a washed out rag,
but I was free!

That was the last lime I had deliverance and my spiritual eyes have
since opened and God has done a mighty work in me outside of
the structure… Afterwards they were amazed and asked me what
strange term I had used and where it came from – I had no idea
except that it was God who gave me knowledge in that situation.
Thank you for the info that has made everything clear to me!I Now
have confirmation from where I was infected! May many of your
readers heed the call of God to “come out and sever yourselves”
from Babylon and its lies and deception and foul spirits, while
there is time…

LUCY writes:
David Wilkerson also mentioned the kundalini spirit, and I
researched it in late October, after having attended the Fredericks-
burg (Virginia) Prayer Furnace at which Che Ahn ministered.
There, I saw many of the manifestations you mention: hopping
and jumping during “worship”, falling backward at Che Ahn’s touch,
extreme jerkiness in several cases. Very uncomfortable with this,
I came home and watched (my first time ever) videos of Todd
Bentley. Needless to say, I was appalled…

SARAH writes:
I’m just about in tears over all of this…
May and I watched the very first nights of the recent “outpouring
of the Holy Spirit” on the IHOP webstream and boy, did that turn
sour fast. Aside from the singing on the first night, everything was
just messed up. AHH! It’s breaking my heart! How many people
do we know and love in KC?!
I’ve watched my beloved siblings laugh uncontrollably, jerk as
though sick, stumble and speak as though drunk, and “sing in
tongues” in complete chaos and without interpretation. I’ve raised
the issue among friends of being “drunk in the Spirit” and even
though I prove over and over that God is for self-control, which they
agree with, they continue to act like drunken fools! (See Titus 1:8
and 2:2; 1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 which compared in the NKJV and
NIV relates self-control with being sober, pointing to the fact that
the Holy Spirit is not one who takes delight in being drunk at all,
but in being sober-minded – fruit of the Spirit, what? Drunkenness
is the complete opposite of being filled with the Holy Spirit! For
sober-mindedness is a filling of Him!; 1 Peter 1:13, 4:7, and 5:8 …

BRENDA writes:
A very dear friend of mine who has been my prayer partner for
years were lured into the enemy’s web of deception about many
of the ministries and manifestations that you spoke about. After
reading and listening to your web broadcasts we had a powerful
prayer session repenting, renouncing, and commanding any spirit
that we had picked up from these false prophets/doctrines of
demons, etc. to go from us in Jesus’ name. We broke all kinds
of things off of us. Most of it was deep repentance and renouncing –
thank you for exposing the enemy and his tactics and all the
deception that the church body has fallen deeply into…

ANDREW STROM: Yes – if you have had “hands laid” or done
“soaking prayer” under any of these kinds of ministries, it is very
important to RENOUNCE (from the very depths of your being in
Jesus’ name) and also COMMAND OUT these ‘kundalini’ spirits
or any other “anointing” that you have received. Remember, you
must VIOLENTLY EXPEL these things in the name of JESUS.
Be FREE in His mighty name!

I truly wonder what God is going to do to those ministries who
have been spreading this alien spirit right through the Body of
Christ. Truly, Judgment must begin “at the house of God.”

Blessings to all,

Andrew Strom.


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Is kundalini the new spirit of revival ?

This was a comment left on one of our threads, its a mass email sent out by Andrew  Strom. I have also put a video up for a decent comparison. Is Strom right, are we as believers allowing a very false spiritual phenomenon to carry our youth away  ?

KUNDALINI WARNING – Urgent
-by Andrew Strom.

I just saw the video of Rick Joyner announcing that Todd Bentley
is back ministering every night at Morningstar in North Carolina
and now they have so-called “revival” manifestations eerily similar
to Lakeland. They also announced that they are streaming these
big meetings every night on their new TV channel – and they are
greatly promoting the whole thing.

Now I am a tongues-speaking Pentecostal myself – but can I ask
a simple question here please? What kind of “spirit” was it
operating in the Lakeland revival – when the leader and main focal-
point of the meetings (Todd Bentley) was having an adulterous
affair behind the scenes? Was it truly the “Holy” Spirit that was
anointing something so sensual and unholy? And now that Todd
divorced his wife and married his mistress – are we supposed to
welcome him back and this “anointing” with him? What is going
on here? Rick Joyner has been warned very specifically by high-
level ministries not to do what he is doing now – bringing Todd
Bentley back into the limelight. And yet it seems he does not
care. Apparently the “manifestations” are all that matter.

So what exactly are these ‘manifestations’ if they are seemingly
at home in such an unholy environment? Are they from God at
all? (I am talking here about the violent “jerking”, uncontrollable
laughter, bodily contortions, drunkenness, ‘portals’, strange “angel”
encounters, etc.) Why do we not see such an ‘anointing’ in the
Bible? Why aren’t Jesus or the apostles promoting these
manifestations if they really are true Revival? Why instead do we
see these things all the way through the New Age and Hinduism,
etc? Do we not realize that many false religions have their own
version of “laying on of hands” that results in these very types of
manifestations? This ’spirit’ is not in the Bible – but it is all the
way through Kundalini-type Hinduism! Don’t you think this should
alarm us?

WHAT is KUNDALINI?

If you search for Kundalini and Shakti on the Internet, you will find
that multitudes of people in the New Age and Eastern religions
still experience these powerful manifestations. Often this is with
the help of a Guru, who touches them on the forehead so that
they can experience a “Kundalini Awakening”.

As researcher Robert Walker wrote in 1995:
“The meetings which mystic Hindu gurus hold are called ‘Darshan’.
At these meetings devotees go forward to receive spiritual experience
from a touch by the open palm of the hand, often to the forehead,
by the guru in what is known as the Shakti Pat or divine touch.
The raising of the spiritual experience is called raising Kundalini…
After a period when the devotee has reached a certain spiritual
elevation they begin to shake, jerk, or hop or squirm uncontrollably,
sometimes breaking into uncontrolled animal noises or laughter
as they reach an ecstatic high. These manifestations are called
‘Kriyas’. Devotees sometimes roar like lions and show all kinds
of physical signs during this period. Often devotees move on to
higher states of spiritual consciousness and become inert
physically and appear to slip into an unconsciousness…”

And as the guru Shri Yogãnandji Mahãrãja wrote:
“When Your body begins trembling, hair stands on roots, you laugh
or begin to weep without your wishing, your tongue begins to utter
deformed sounds, you are filled with fear or see frightening visions…
the Kundalini Shakti has become active.”

In China there is a popular Kundalini-type movement called ‘Qigong’.
When a Chinese Qigong spiritual master spoke in the USA in
1991, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that many in the crowd
began to experience “spontaneous movements”. The master told
his audience, “Those who are sensitive might start having some
strong physical sensations – or start laughing or crying. Don’t worry.
This is quite normal.”

When you see videos of these “kriyas” or other Kundalini-type
manifestations, you would often swear that you are watching a
modern “Impartation”-type church meeting. (And I say this as
someone who believes strongly in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I just
don’t believe in “alien” anointings infiltrating the Body of Christ!
There is a big difference between Kundalini and the real Holy Spirit).

Since 1993-4, I believe a foreign spirit has been allowed to invade
the church – first through Rodney Howard-Browne’s ministry – then
Toronto, then the Prophetic movement (which I was part of at the
time) and on into Lakeland and many other ministries and
movements. I urge people now to “test the spirits” just as we are
commanded to in Scripture. Do not let just anyone lay hands on
you. This is a powerful spirit and it has the backing of a lot of
big-name ministries. In fact, these men and women are the very
ones responsible for allowing it to spread right through the body
of Christ. And one day they will be answerable to God for doing so.

We are specifically warned in the Bible that the Last Days will be
a time of “seducing spirits,” false prophets, ‘lying signs and
wonders,’ and that we always need to watch for “angels of light”
masquerading as the real thing. Why does the modern church
not take these warnings seriously? Aren’t we living in the very
days that the Bible warns about?

Right now I need to do something that I have never done in such
a way before. I have never before published a list of ministries or
movements to watch out for. But this time I have to. This sickness
has gone on long enough. I urge you to cut yourself off from
the following ministries and their tainted “anointings” my friends.
Even though some of these people say “good things” at times, it
is simply not worth having any involvement with them due to the
tainted anointing that they endorse or minister in themselves. Here
is the list-

(1) Todd Bentley.
(2) Rodney Howard Browne – the so-called “Holy Ghost Bartender.”
(2) Rick Joyner or anyone connected with Morningstar Ministries.
(3) John Arnott & any connected with TACF (The “Toronto Blessing”).
(4) Peter Wagner of the ‘New Apostolic Reformation’ who claims
to be head of a worldwide network of ‘apostles’ – who publicly
endorsed Lakeland and will soon preach at Toronto TACF alongside
other “false anointing” advocates.
(5) Mike Bickle and IHOP Kansas City (-I lived nearby for over
two years – and know how much they are into all this stuff. Mike
Bickle promotes it in his book).
(6) Bob Jones – the Kansas City prophet whose ministry is utterly
tainted by it all.
(7) Patricia King and anyone else from ‘Extreme Prophetic.’
(8) John Crowder & anyone connected with “Sloshfest.”
(9) Bill Johnson of Bethel church, Redding – who says some good
things but publicly endorsed Lakeland and promotes the “false
anointing” very strongly behind the scenes.
(10) Heidi & Rolland Baker of IRIS Ministries – who do good work
amongst the poor in Mozambique – but who have also carried
and promoted this tainted anointing for years.
(11) Randy Clark, Wes & Stacey Campbell, and other key
figures from the “Toronto blessing.”
(12) The Elijah List – and almost anyone featured on it.

Of course there are a huge number of lesser-known preachers
and ministries who carry or endorse this Kundalini-type “anointing”
around the world. But I have concentrated here on the most
influential that I know of. It really is an enormous issue in the
church. I urge anyone who is a supporter of any of the above
ministries to really check them out thoroughly. If you find (as I have)
that they carry or endorse this false Kundalini spirit in the church,
then please stop supporting them in any way – and whatever you
do, don’t let them “lay hands” on you!

I am putting everything on the line to be “naming names” like this.
But I believe it is that serious. How on earth did we get to the point
where “kriyas” just like Hinduism are spreading through the church?

Please forward this email to everyone you know, blogs and boards,
etc. These people are trying to “relaunch” this whole thing right
now. Help us get this warning out. To see a video showing “kriyas”
and other Kundalini-type manifestations, please click on the
Youtube links below-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyW1UFzS2LY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaNiuRWHZrY

Please send feedback on this article to- prophetic@revivalschool.com

God bless you all!

Andrew Strom.


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Julie’s story

My husband and I were a part of Kansas City Fellowship from it’s inception, until 1990.  Here’s our story.

We were part of the original church that Mike Bickle started in the early 80’s called Kansas City Fellowship. In fact, when Mike first arrived in Kansas City, he spoke at a women’s bible study that I was attending at the time.  It was the first time I had heard contemplative prayer taught.  I was so intrigued by his teaching, I made it a point to attend his soon to be new church.

From the church’s early beginnings, we were wowed by the fact that this church seemed to be commissioned by God.  We were encouraged to read about the modern revivals, such as Azuza Street, and modern revivalists, such as Mary Woodworth Edder, and Charles  Finney.  We were also encouraged to read about the life of David Brainerd, especially his devotion to prayer.  Also on the list of required reading were all of Kenneth Hagin’s books.  All of this was to prepare us for the coming revival in knowing what to expect.

A point I wish to make, in regards to KCF’s beginnings, is the original prophet who spoke to Mike back in St. Louis.  This man prophesied that Mike needed to move to Kansas City to begin this new move of God. His name was Augustine Acolla. He was later dismissed as somewhat false when a certain prophecy never came to pass.  He was also later discovered to have a hidden homosexual lifestyle what was exposed before he passed away, but he needs to be included in the Kansas City Prophets head count, as he was highly esteemed and credited from the beginning as a true prophet.

Mike’s main focus, in the early days, was to pray for God to pour out His holy spirit as he did in the days of Acts. During the first year when Bob Jones came on the scene, this focus remained the same with the added oooing and awwwwing associated with having our own resident prophet. We were so flattered regarding our calling to be THE group that would usher in the revival to beat all revivals. He told us that we had been invited to pray this thing in. He had all kinds of remarkable tales of God having promised him, through the years, that a generation would arise in his (Bob’s) future that would someday receive him. And we were that people.

During the first year of the fellowship, a solumn assembly was called, the first of several, where we were called to fast and pray for twenty-one days, at the end of which, the Lord was going to fill us with his holy spirit as he did on the day of pentecost. So, fast and pray we did. This commission purportedly came about when both Mike, and  Bob Jones, received a personal visitation from the angel, Gabriel, who gave both of them the same scripture, which was Daniel Chapter 9. The angel told both of them of the need for this solemn assembly to take place.  We began the fast which was to conclude at the end of May.  We spent many days and nights binding and loosing territorial spirits in order to open up the heavenlies so God could pour his spirit down.

At the end of the fast, absolutely nothing happened.  That’s when the focus began to somewhat change.  It was discovered, by the leadership, that we didn’t have the proper wineskin in place to recieve the new wine promised by the angel Gabriel.  So, continuing our routine to pray every night and day for the Lord to send his spirit, we began to receive teaching entitled “commitment classes” which lasted for about two years.  Absolutely anyone who wanted to participate in any kind of ministry at the church, be it on the worship team, or volunteering with the children, had to undergo these classes.  The gist of the teaching was church government and how the city needed an apostolic leader over all the churches in order for the believers to contain this level of annointing.  I kid you not. These were the most boring classes to attend, but attend them we did, because everyone, and I mean everyone didn’t want to miss this “move of God”, and everyone wanted a leadership type position.

It was during this time that the prophets were on the move, prophesying to churches to submit to Mike, or else they’d be left out. It was also at this time that my hustand and I began to become seriously confused.  Our lives began to grow too busy to attend the nightly prayer meetings any longer.  We were a young growing family with toddlers to raise.  The prophesies were confusing and very “cosmic” in nature.  The ones that were clear enough to follow, weren’t coming to pass.

Also, those of us attending the nightly prayers meetings were seeing the original “vision” change.  We were on board for the “pray night and day until” vision, but the rules kept changing, and Mike was becoming  a sensation. It seemed that MANY ministries throughout the Unitied States, and even England, were embracing his “city church” vision, and were equally wowed by the prophets.  When the Vinyard began showing interest, they appeared more influenced by Mike and the prophets, than the other way around.

One other important fact that never gets mentioned, and has since been removed from the history.  Mike had a paraplegic brother named Pat whom we were close to.  Pat always attended the evening prayer meetings which we also attended.  Keep in mind, the early prayer movement was very sparce, a far cry from what it looks like today. Just a dozen or so faithful regularly attended.  As a result, we got to know one another pretty well. Well, amongst all the prophecies and promises of the spirit being poured out on us, there was ALWAYS the promise that Pat would be healed.  So often was that promise repeated that we spoke of it as a “given.”  All of the prophets mentioned it numerous times.  In fact, it was going to be THE EVENT that started the whole ball rolling.

Sadly, Pat passed away a few years ago.  More sadly, however, is how this often stated prophecy, at least how pivotal it was, was erased from the history.  Now, when new IHOPers listen to the 18 plus hours of how IHOP came to be, they won’t know about Pat and that profound promise that we hoped for in his healing.

It was at this time that my husband and I set aside all the nonsense we had been taught, and turned to the scriptures, alone, for guidance. The Lord graciously revealed the Gospel to us and our confusion ceased.  We knew, clearly enough, that this message of the Cross was not being preached, nor was it ever preached. My husband tried to talk to Mike about it a number of times, but was not received well.  When Ernie Gruen preached his memorable sermon “Do we keep smiling and say nothing,” we left. His sermon helped us see the error of the whole prophetic thing.

Back then, I assumed that this whole thing would just fizzle out.  How wrong I was.  We now have grown children who rub elbows with other grown children influenced by IHOP.  While our children have been taught the error of this movement, I find it necessary to reteach the “why’s” of whats wrong with all of this, especially since so many churches here in Kansas City have people in their congregations who also attend IHOP.  And now with the “student awakening” under way, it’s all the buzz in local christian circles.

I need to clarify a few points regarding Pat Bickle.  He was actually a quadraplegic, not a paraplegic.  Also, it was through Pat’s wife that we learned of the histories regarding Pat, and the prophecies of his healing, being removed from the newer additions of Mike’s books and history tapes. I haven’t listened, personally to these new histories, nor have I read any of Mike’s new additions to his books.  This point might need further clarification.

I hope this testimony is somehow helpful to persons who are doubting this movement.

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IHOPU…who needs a degree anyway?

Allen Hood says that at IHOPU you can learn to prophecy thru a camera.  No, not to a camera.  But, thru one.  I’ll leave you to figure that one out.  Perhaps it is all part and parcel of an anti-intellectualism which is especially virulent in the radical Charismatic camp (Hood is the ONLY ONE in the ‘faculty’ who has earned an M.Div.).  He says, “Students don’t get a degree but do get a media anointing.”  A media anointing eh?  Sounds like IHOP’s ‘university’ has figured out how to advertise for free.

“A university is an institution of higher education and research, which grants degrees in a variety of subjects. A university provides both undergraduate and postgraduate education.” Now call me unspiritual…but apparently IHOP has faulted on the VERY FIRST definition of a university, which is ‘grants degrees’ (we won’t go into the necessity of postgraduate ed….just too easy).  Perhaps just as IHOP is tasked with changing the face of Christianity in one generation so they are also now charged with changing the VERY definition of higher education.

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