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Julie’s story part 2

There is such a shocking lack of knowledge as to how IHOP’s vision was birthed, it’s driving me crazy! So, I want to give a little more insight into the going’s on behind Kansas City Fellowship (early IHOP) becoming a Vineyard.

My husband and I had been away from the church (Kansas City Fellowship) for approximately 3 or 4 months praying earnestly for the leadership at KCF to repent. Actually, by this time, the name had changed to Metro Christian Fellowship, having first been known as South Kansas City Fellowship, then Kansas City Fellowship, then Metro Christian. We expected their repentance to be forthcoming at any day. I mean, with the damning report that Ernie Gruen had just written, there was no defending the current prophetic, and “let’s take over the city”, teaching that had become common place by then. This was the spring of 1990. I remember it well because I was well along in my pregnancy with my fourth child.

We were told that “Mike’s going to repent” so be sure to be there.  “Major anouncement at the church, don’t miss it.” These were the encouragements we received from our friends, the friends we had been warning regarding the error that had crept in.

So, we went to this meeting with high expectations. We were expecting the mood to be somber, sober, serious, repentant, etc. Nothing could have prepared us for what we witnessed that night.

First of all, the place was PACKED. Not a seat in the house remained empty.  People standing in the back as well. I think there were between 1500 and 2000 people in attendance.

After a very celebratory worship service, Mike began to repeat some of the prophetic history which brought the church into existence in the first place. Augustine’s prophecies (although, by this time, I think his name had ceased to be mentioned), Bob Jones’s prophecies, etc. How God had brought the prophetic into our midst – but it was still in it’s infancy. Still young and messy and some messes have occurred. Soooo, it was time to set the prophetic down, come under the umbrella of the Vineyard. The prophets would still minister to the leadership behind closed doors, but it was necessary for them to mature in their anointings.

This was the gist of the meeting. That the leadership was just delighted to be joining hands with John Wimber and Co.  It was going to be a great future in God. Blah blah blah.

Even stating that the rift between Mike and Ernie was hurting the body and that it needed to be resolved as soon as possible. That Ernie Gruen had misrepresented the prophetic movement, but some of the things he said were true: there was a spiritual elitistism that needed to be eradicated. Ernie was on board with this current move by the church leadership to become a Vineyard, and so the proposed meeting (hearing?) before the agreed upon leaders from around the country was no longer necessary. The error of the prophetic was in check with the setting down of the prophets.

The mood reminded me of a high school pep rally. Everyone seemed relieved and elated. No longer was the church going to be considered “cultish.” John Wimber had ridden in on a white horse, and they had dodged a bullet. They were becoming a respectable Vineyard; the loony prophetic was going to become less visual and less loony; and so on, and so forth.

At the end of Mike’s lengthy announcement, he opened up the microphone for questions.  When my husband looked at me and said “I’m going up,” my heart rose to my throat and stayed there until we left. I knew that the happy atmosphere was going to be dampered a little once my husband took the mic.

Person after person got up and asked numerous, non-threatening questions, of the legistical variety. Will the other locations join, too? Would Mike’s position change? How will this affect the church type questions.

My husband was one of the last in line that night. Perhaps he was the last. He first asked Mike if the men who had originally been agreed upon to “hear” the accusations  that were brought against Mike, if they were honorable and capable of judging these teachings, etc.  Mike agreed that they, in fact, were honorable men. (All of the men chosen for this task were from the charismatic side of the isle, btw).  He then asked Mike why he wouldn’t just submit to their “hearing” instead of, essentially, hiding behind John Wimber. That is when the mood in the room suddenly changed. It felt hostile, and I swear, you could hear a pin drop. But, my heart was in my throat and I just wanted to get out of there, so, who knows what other people felt. At this point, my husband challenged Mike regarding these doctrines NOT coming into line with the gospel of Jesus Christ. He handed the mic back and began walking back to me.

Many, many of our friends were there. Some of our best friends were also in attendance, and they were not really sure how to take all of this stuff. We had given them our take, yet they were still quite loyal to the church/Mike. Heck, we were still loyal. We were just waiting for everyone to repent and BELIEVE the truth and get free of all this garbage.  This was our church, for crying out loud. These were our leaders and the devil had pulled the wool over their eyes!

As my husband was leaving the stage, Mike turned to the sound man, and told him to get rid of what my husband had just said. “Erase that part.” This is what our friends heard. They were so appalled, it became the beginning of the end of their stay at KCF. So began my first knowledge of historical revisionism at the hands of KCF.

One person came up and thanked my husband. Everyone else treated us like the plague. Indeed, for many years, my husband was kept at arms length by those still loyal to Mike. Now, one can dispute whether or not Mike had the tape erased. But, there are people, to this day, who remember my husband standing up and standing against Mike Bickle. No one ever did that! I think it went down the same memory hole with the prophecies regarding Pat Bickle getting healed. We knew, then, that they weren’t going to be repenting anytime soon.

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Follow up responses to Kundalini warning.

Here are some testimonies and replies to Andrew Strom’s Kundalini warning. We should all sit back and question where this is truly going. To start you off I have a few questions of my own.

1. Are these experiences truly biblically defensible ? By that I mean drunkenness in the Spirit, animal noises, uncontrollable laughter, etc .

2. How does one answer the statement that Kundalini is only the devil’s counterfeit of the real thing ? ( If you haven’t heard this statement before just give it some time you will)

3. How can we as brethren in the Lord confront the many who follow this nonsense in a constructive manner ? (admittedly if the house is condemned it will probably have to be torn down before construction can begin.)

4. Is it not time to throw political Christian correctness out the window where it has always belonged and face this stuff head on and fearlessly. By that I mean we risk our friendships, our reps, our …well whatever it takes to try and get our brethren to turn away from these false teachers and experiences.

5. Lastly are we praying for these people or are we just outraged and vengeful toward them ?

REPLIES to “KUNDALINI WARNING”

5 replies/ comments are below:

“D” writes:
I went to Lakeland 3 times. I was so drawn to go there. I really
thought it was of God… I had so many supernatural experiences –
to seeing a mystical Jesus with a third eye, angels talking to me,
visions, being transported. I had one experience with my daughter
being in the room and her experiencing it too. I was roaring like a
lion, had gold dust and many other experiences. The worst thing
that happened to me is that it got sexual. This false Jesus was
approaching me sexually and I fell into it. I still to this day do
not understand how I could have been so decieved. I have been
a Christian since the age of 16. I am 49 now… I fell right in… hook,
line and sinker. When I came home that last viist I became aware
it was demonic, and I was surrounded and covered with demons
literally, it was so horrible, all that I went through, you cannot
imagine… I was seeing demons and being touched sexually and
tormentingly constantly.. it has been 1 1/2 years and I am still
battling these demonic spirits. I cry out to the Lord everyday for
total deliverance. It has been horrible. I have renounced and
repented, but still fighting. How do we get free of this?

SHERIE writes:
I can testify that I was infested with this foul eastern spirit, the
kundalini. I was in a movement from 1992 – 2000 which had close
links with the Toronto movement. From 2000 – 2006 I joined a
church with links to Bill Johnson.
I was desperate for God to move in my life and change situations
and heal hurts and was very open to ministry – I had many in this
movement touch my forehead and experienced the manifestations
you describe – drunkenness, laughing and crying, shaking. I got
dreams and visions and just before I left the structure (church) I
had a vivid dream of a huge python that came through the back
door and attached itself to my car, and also to rooms in my home.
I was very disturbed and sought the Lord for an answer.

It took about 6 months before I was delivered, but God brought a
couple over my path who God had trained and had victory over
spiritual entities. Every time I was in their presence, I would get
very anxious, and they would calmly pray for me and I could feel
darkness leaving and my sanity restored. It was only after 6 months
of these episodes, I was again in their presence and sensed a fight
ensue in the Spirit. I was very anxious and fearful and could feel
a huge snake in my spine – I was rigid and very uncomfortable – It
felt as if this thing wanted to throttle me and rob me of my life. I
called out to God and they quietly prayed – then I asked the Lady
to pull this serpent out of my head – it felt as if it could exit near
the top of my crown. She continued to pray and I got the word
“kundalini ” in my spirit and just commanded this thing by its
name to go in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. I pled the blood
as it was very frightening, and it left. I felt like a washed out rag,
but I was free!

That was the last lime I had deliverance and my spiritual eyes have
since opened and God has done a mighty work in me outside of
the structure… Afterwards they were amazed and asked me what
strange term I had used and where it came from – I had no idea
except that it was God who gave me knowledge in that situation.
Thank you for the info that has made everything clear to me!I Now
have confirmation from where I was infected! May many of your
readers heed the call of God to “come out and sever yourselves”
from Babylon and its lies and deception and foul spirits, while
there is time…

LUCY writes:
David Wilkerson also mentioned the kundalini spirit, and I
researched it in late October, after having attended the Fredericks-
burg (Virginia) Prayer Furnace at which Che Ahn ministered.
There, I saw many of the manifestations you mention: hopping
and jumping during “worship”, falling backward at Che Ahn’s touch,
extreme jerkiness in several cases. Very uncomfortable with this,
I came home and watched (my first time ever) videos of Todd
Bentley. Needless to say, I was appalled…

SARAH writes:
I’m just about in tears over all of this…
May and I watched the very first nights of the recent “outpouring
of the Holy Spirit” on the IHOP webstream and boy, did that turn
sour fast. Aside from the singing on the first night, everything was
just messed up. AHH! It’s breaking my heart! How many people
do we know and love in KC?!
I’ve watched my beloved siblings laugh uncontrollably, jerk as
though sick, stumble and speak as though drunk, and “sing in
tongues” in complete chaos and without interpretation. I’ve raised
the issue among friends of being “drunk in the Spirit” and even
though I prove over and over that God is for self-control, which they
agree with, they continue to act like drunken fools! (See Titus 1:8
and 2:2; 1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 which compared in the NKJV and
NIV relates self-control with being sober, pointing to the fact that
the Holy Spirit is not one who takes delight in being drunk at all,
but in being sober-minded – fruit of the Spirit, what? Drunkenness
is the complete opposite of being filled with the Holy Spirit! For
sober-mindedness is a filling of Him!; 1 Peter 1:13, 4:7, and 5:8 …

BRENDA writes:
A very dear friend of mine who has been my prayer partner for
years were lured into the enemy’s web of deception about many
of the ministries and manifestations that you spoke about. After
reading and listening to your web broadcasts we had a powerful
prayer session repenting, renouncing, and commanding any spirit
that we had picked up from these false prophets/doctrines of
demons, etc. to go from us in Jesus’ name. We broke all kinds
of things off of us. Most of it was deep repentance and renouncing –
thank you for exposing the enemy and his tactics and all the
deception that the church body has fallen deeply into…

ANDREW STROM: Yes – if you have had “hands laid” or done
“soaking prayer” under any of these kinds of ministries, it is very
important to RENOUNCE (from the very depths of your being in
Jesus’ name) and also COMMAND OUT these ‘kundalini’ spirits
or any other “anointing” that you have received. Remember, you
must VIOLENTLY EXPEL these things in the name of JESUS.
Be FREE in His mighty name!

I truly wonder what God is going to do to those ministries who
have been spreading this alien spirit right through the Body of
Christ. Truly, Judgment must begin “at the house of God.”

Blessings to all,

Andrew Strom.


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Is kundalini the new spirit of revival ?

This was a comment left on one of our threads, its a mass email sent out by Andrew  Strom. I have also put a video up for a decent comparison. Is Strom right, are we as believers allowing a very false spiritual phenomenon to carry our youth away  ?

KUNDALINI WARNING – Urgent
-by Andrew Strom.

I just saw the video of Rick Joyner announcing that Todd Bentley
is back ministering every night at Morningstar in North Carolina
and now they have so-called “revival” manifestations eerily similar
to Lakeland. They also announced that they are streaming these
big meetings every night on their new TV channel – and they are
greatly promoting the whole thing.

Now I am a tongues-speaking Pentecostal myself – but can I ask
a simple question here please? What kind of “spirit” was it
operating in the Lakeland revival – when the leader and main focal-
point of the meetings (Todd Bentley) was having an adulterous
affair behind the scenes? Was it truly the “Holy” Spirit that was
anointing something so sensual and unholy? And now that Todd
divorced his wife and married his mistress – are we supposed to
welcome him back and this “anointing” with him? What is going
on here? Rick Joyner has been warned very specifically by high-
level ministries not to do what he is doing now – bringing Todd
Bentley back into the limelight. And yet it seems he does not
care. Apparently the “manifestations” are all that matter.

So what exactly are these ‘manifestations’ if they are seemingly
at home in such an unholy environment? Are they from God at
all? (I am talking here about the violent “jerking”, uncontrollable
laughter, bodily contortions, drunkenness, ‘portals’, strange “angel”
encounters, etc.) Why do we not see such an ‘anointing’ in the
Bible? Why aren’t Jesus or the apostles promoting these
manifestations if they really are true Revival? Why instead do we
see these things all the way through the New Age and Hinduism,
etc? Do we not realize that many false religions have their own
version of “laying on of hands” that results in these very types of
manifestations? This ’spirit’ is not in the Bible – but it is all the
way through Kundalini-type Hinduism! Don’t you think this should
alarm us?

WHAT is KUNDALINI?

If you search for Kundalini and Shakti on the Internet, you will find
that multitudes of people in the New Age and Eastern religions
still experience these powerful manifestations. Often this is with
the help of a Guru, who touches them on the forehead so that
they can experience a “Kundalini Awakening”.

As researcher Robert Walker wrote in 1995:
“The meetings which mystic Hindu gurus hold are called ‘Darshan’.
At these meetings devotees go forward to receive spiritual experience
from a touch by the open palm of the hand, often to the forehead,
by the guru in what is known as the Shakti Pat or divine touch.
The raising of the spiritual experience is called raising Kundalini…
After a period when the devotee has reached a certain spiritual
elevation they begin to shake, jerk, or hop or squirm uncontrollably,
sometimes breaking into uncontrolled animal noises or laughter
as they reach an ecstatic high. These manifestations are called
‘Kriyas’. Devotees sometimes roar like lions and show all kinds
of physical signs during this period. Often devotees move on to
higher states of spiritual consciousness and become inert
physically and appear to slip into an unconsciousness…”

And as the guru Shri Yogãnandji Mahãrãja wrote:
“When Your body begins trembling, hair stands on roots, you laugh
or begin to weep without your wishing, your tongue begins to utter
deformed sounds, you are filled with fear or see frightening visions…
the Kundalini Shakti has become active.”

In China there is a popular Kundalini-type movement called ‘Qigong’.
When a Chinese Qigong spiritual master spoke in the USA in
1991, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that many in the crowd
began to experience “spontaneous movements”. The master told
his audience, “Those who are sensitive might start having some
strong physical sensations – or start laughing or crying. Don’t worry.
This is quite normal.”

When you see videos of these “kriyas” or other Kundalini-type
manifestations, you would often swear that you are watching a
modern “Impartation”-type church meeting. (And I say this as
someone who believes strongly in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I just
don’t believe in “alien” anointings infiltrating the Body of Christ!
There is a big difference between Kundalini and the real Holy Spirit).

Since 1993-4, I believe a foreign spirit has been allowed to invade
the church – first through Rodney Howard-Browne’s ministry – then
Toronto, then the Prophetic movement (which I was part of at the
time) and on into Lakeland and many other ministries and
movements. I urge people now to “test the spirits” just as we are
commanded to in Scripture. Do not let just anyone lay hands on
you. This is a powerful spirit and it has the backing of a lot of
big-name ministries. In fact, these men and women are the very
ones responsible for allowing it to spread right through the body
of Christ. And one day they will be answerable to God for doing so.

We are specifically warned in the Bible that the Last Days will be
a time of “seducing spirits,” false prophets, ‘lying signs and
wonders,’ and that we always need to watch for “angels of light”
masquerading as the real thing. Why does the modern church
not take these warnings seriously? Aren’t we living in the very
days that the Bible warns about?

Right now I need to do something that I have never done in such
a way before. I have never before published a list of ministries or
movements to watch out for. But this time I have to. This sickness
has gone on long enough. I urge you to cut yourself off from
the following ministries and their tainted “anointings” my friends.
Even though some of these people say “good things” at times, it
is simply not worth having any involvement with them due to the
tainted anointing that they endorse or minister in themselves. Here
is the list-

(1) Todd Bentley.
(2) Rodney Howard Browne – the so-called “Holy Ghost Bartender.”
(2) Rick Joyner or anyone connected with Morningstar Ministries.
(3) John Arnott & any connected with TACF (The “Toronto Blessing”).
(4) Peter Wagner of the ‘New Apostolic Reformation’ who claims
to be head of a worldwide network of ‘apostles’ – who publicly
endorsed Lakeland and will soon preach at Toronto TACF alongside
other “false anointing” advocates.
(5) Mike Bickle and IHOP Kansas City (-I lived nearby for over
two years – and know how much they are into all this stuff. Mike
Bickle promotes it in his book).
(6) Bob Jones – the Kansas City prophet whose ministry is utterly
tainted by it all.
(7) Patricia King and anyone else from ‘Extreme Prophetic.’
(8) John Crowder & anyone connected with “Sloshfest.”
(9) Bill Johnson of Bethel church, Redding – who says some good
things but publicly endorsed Lakeland and promotes the “false
anointing” very strongly behind the scenes.
(10) Heidi & Rolland Baker of IRIS Ministries – who do good work
amongst the poor in Mozambique – but who have also carried
and promoted this tainted anointing for years.
(11) Randy Clark, Wes & Stacey Campbell, and other key
figures from the “Toronto blessing.”
(12) The Elijah List – and almost anyone featured on it.

Of course there are a huge number of lesser-known preachers
and ministries who carry or endorse this Kundalini-type “anointing”
around the world. But I have concentrated here on the most
influential that I know of. It really is an enormous issue in the
church. I urge anyone who is a supporter of any of the above
ministries to really check them out thoroughly. If you find (as I have)
that they carry or endorse this false Kundalini spirit in the church,
then please stop supporting them in any way – and whatever you
do, don’t let them “lay hands” on you!

I am putting everything on the line to be “naming names” like this.
But I believe it is that serious. How on earth did we get to the point
where “kriyas” just like Hinduism are spreading through the church?

Please forward this email to everyone you know, blogs and boards,
etc. These people are trying to “relaunch” this whole thing right
now. Help us get this warning out. To see a video showing “kriyas”
and other Kundalini-type manifestations, please click on the
Youtube links below-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyW1UFzS2LY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaNiuRWHZrY

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God bless you all!

Andrew Strom.


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Well ? Who didnt see this coming ??

I have been kinda living behind the scenes of this blog for a few months. Truth is I have grown super tired of seeing all the nonsense that calls itself Christian these days. With full time ministry and 3 little girls to care for my blogging habits have become somewhat nonexistent. I would be dishonest If I didnt also admit to a huge lack of motivation on my part to keep standing on the wall and yelling out to those who are all to willing to just walk into crazy town because it might make them feel good for a minute. I mean how many times can you have the same arguement with thousands of different people before you get tired of talking.  While I am thanful for Nats post on revenge and repentance I do not find that I share in a desire to see these folks destroyed. I do however greatly desire to see them exposed and discipled by the Church before the Lord comes and does it Himself in a much more legal and binding sense. The Idea that we can sit quietly by and watch men like John Crowder and the new mystics, Todd Bentley and the whole host of other false prophets that are out there raping our young and more simple bretheren is part of the reason we find the church in the state it is in. Toking the Ghost is Blasphemous it would be laughable if it weren’t so serious. What I am about to post however in my opinion takes the cake . Ladies and gentle men It’s go time. Show this stuff to your pastors show it to your friends warn your brethren this is going south in a hurry. Mothers lock up your Daughters this is not for the younger kids.

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http://javanut61.wordpress.com/2009/04/12/god-sperm-how-perverse-can-they-get/

Good lookin out.

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